Justice for Elijah Timmons: Patricia King's Story

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It's just not right.
It just, it doesn't make sense.

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The 911 call was 10 minutes
before my son was shot.

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And this cop, the one that was
in there cussing me out, sat

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across the street literally in
his cruiser because why?

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This is a black club.
This is a holiday.

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We know they're going to get
down there, get drunk and act a

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fool.
So we're going to sit close

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enough to where we can get them,
you know what I mean?

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But you don't even come across
there when the 911 call say,

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hey, they fighting in the
parking lot.

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If he would have drove that car
through that parking lot, we

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might not be sitting here, you
know what I mean?

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Because that would have stopped
it right then and there.

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When my son was coming out that
club, none of the bouncers

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stopped it.
Nobody tried to help him when he

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was shot.
The state trooper, the one that

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was cussing me out inside the
jail instead of him,

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administered CPR to my son,
which is what he should have

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rendered all kind of help to him
immediately when he seen him in

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that condition and not just
counted him dead, removed a gun

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and secured a gun instead.
Which, yeah, that might be a

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part of what he had to do.
But why didn't y'all immediately

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start administering some kind of
help for my child?

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So at least he could have died
in dignity off off on a

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stretcher inside of the the van
at the hospital two or three

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days later.
I don't know.

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But I just know that that was
not that was not OK.

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I know that my son could hear me
screaming and being slammed on

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the ground in the midst of all
that.

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I couldn't get to him.
He couldn't get to me.

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You know, like the damage that
they have done.

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And I know that I'm able to talk
about it, but I've done, I've

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said it so many times and so
often and so many times in a

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day.
And so I'm just desensitized if

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there's a way to be that.
But to make any sense out of all

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of this, it's just so unreal
that I, I must have some kind of

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mental state that I'm
disassociating to just to try to

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protect myself.
Because if I really think about

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this, I would literally go
crazy.

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Like I would literally go crazy.
But I also know that I'm having

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a fight, you know, like I have
to put this out there so people

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can hear what happened.
And I think that it's crazy that

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I would had to have died too,
that I have to be shot in the

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face for somebody to hear this.
When someone departs this

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earthly realm before their time,
we hold tight to their memory,

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cherishing it as dearly as the
moments we once shared.

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Their essence remains woven into
the fabric of our hearts,

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shining brightly against the
backdrop of loss.

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Today's case takes us down South
to Hendersonville, a town deep

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in North Carolina.
But don't be fooled by the

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numbers. 83.5% may claim to be
white, but that doesn't mean

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they're fair or just.
Only a measly 6.73% are black

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and another 6.46% are mixed
race, leaving little room for

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diversity.
It's no surprise that

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Hendersonville has a long way to
go when it comes to racial

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equality and fair treatment
under the law.

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They didn't even acknowledge
Black History Month until almost

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50 years after it was recognized
by the US government.

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And let's not forget what the
ACLU had to say about this

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place.
They've been terrorizing and

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mistreating black folks for far
too long, just like the rest of

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America.
You want proof?

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Just take a look at North
Carolina's Racial Justice Act.

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It's clear that Hendersonville
has been plagued by

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discrimination and injustice
towards people of color for far

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too long, especially our Black
brothers, who are constantly

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denied their basic right to seek
justice.

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The tragic death of Elijah
Timmons, son of Patricia King,

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who we will come to know in this
story, echoes that of Sonia

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Massey's case with one crucial
difference.

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Patricia survived, but her son
did not.

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Elijah's final moments were
filled with agony and betrayal.

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According to local media
reports, a big party went down

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at the Orchard Bar and Grill in
Hendersonville during the wee

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hours of the morning on Black
Friday.

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How ironic.
But as always, there's more to

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the story than what makes it in
the press.

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We believe that the real truth
lies with Elijah's mother,

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Patricia Ann King.
Sure, the news says there was

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some shouting between two women
and a fist fight between two men

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outside in the parking lot where
around 40 cars were parked.

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But what they won't tell you is
that when Elijah was shot in the

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head, Patricia's pleas for help
were ignored.

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Her hands were bound by metal
shackles as she was forcibly

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thrown to the pavement.
The rough concrete tore at her

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skin, causing her pants to slip
down and reveal her bare

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backside.
As if that wasn't humiliating

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enough, the officers nearby
couldn't contain their

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amusement, making lewd remarks
about her curvaceous buttocks.

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To make matters even worse, they
had the audacity to accuse her

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of assault and resisting arrest
for just trying to be by her sun

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side.
Can you believe it took

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authorities 8 long months to
even bother testing the murder

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weapon despite clear evidence
and a witness?

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And even then they left Patricia
in the dark and refused to give

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her any updates.
Instead she had to fight for

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every bit of information while
being met with silence and cover

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ups.
It's like they were adding salt

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to her wounds after losing her
own flesh and blood in such a

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senseless way.
Despite learning that her son

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was still alive when he was
covered under a sheet, Patricia

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received no support and was
basically told to just accept

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it.
Can you imagine the pain and

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frustration she must have felt?
But despite her pleas for

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justice and accountability, she
was treated like a nuisance by

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the very people who were
supposed to protect and serve.

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It's appalling to see the
footage of her encounter with

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police, where multiple officers
can be seen agreeing with her

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but refusing to take
responsibility for their

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actions.
And instead of showing

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compassion, they responded with
violence and aggression, leaving

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Patricia helpless as she watched
her child die.

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How can trained law enforcement
behave this way?

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It's dehumanizing and shows a
lack of basic empathy.

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Even after charges against
Patricia were dropped, she is

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still traumatized by the
incident that occurred after her

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son was targeted and attacked by
another group.

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Witnesses confirm that there was
an accomplice waiting to

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retrieve the weapon used in the
attack, making this tragedy even

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more heartbreaking.
Welcome to No tears for Black

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Girls Elijah Edward Timmons, the
third passed away suddenly on

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November 24th, 2023, at the mere
age of 30 in Hendersonville, NC.

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Born on August 21st, 1993, he
lived life to the fullest until

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his final moments.
He treasured time with his

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beloved mother, siblings, and
relished fishing trips with his

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father, cousins, and sons.
He also revelled in bonding with

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his stepfather over their shared
love for cars and motorcycles.

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His nieces and nephews were his
everything and he was blessed to

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hold his namesake adore life
Elijah before he departed.

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Elijah leaves behind his
heartbroken mother Patricia Ann

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King, stepfather Gabe Hogan,
father Elijah Edward Timmons,

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junior brothers Jaytwan, Anthony
and Darius, sisters Ontario

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Tranis Coyante and Guy Alicia,
grandparents Terry Whiteside,

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Perry King and Mammy Wade.
He also leaves behind four

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beloved sons, one year old Why
year Timmons with long term

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girlfriend Tishala P, 12 year
old Seer Zion and 10 year old

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Emilion with former partner
Brittany Williams, 6 year old

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Kizarion with ex partner Shanika
Collins.

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He was preceded in death by his
brother Kui Vonte, great

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grandparents Ruth and Frank
Whiteside, great grandmother

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Lily Ruth Hill and grandfather
Elijah Edward Timmons Senior.

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A celebration of life service
was held on Saturday, December

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9th, 2023 in Asheville, NC.
However, it wasn't until

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Thanksgiving night, 2 weeks
prior to Elijah's burial, that

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the tragic events leading up to
his death were unveiled.

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After a heated altercation that
ended with Elijah being shot in

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the head, his grief stricken
mother, Patricia King was

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arrested at the scene.
All she wanted to do was check

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on her son and see if he was
still alive, but instead she was

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met with brutality from the
police.

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She was thrown to the ground,
handcuffed, manhandled, and

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humiliated as her pants were
forcibly removed in public while

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she was denied access to her
dying son.

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According to Patricia, Elijah
was still gasping for air when

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she was taken into custody.
A video that she shared with No

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Tears for Black Girls shows
witnesses desperately trying to

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save him, while the same officer
who attacked her stood by.

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This is just another tragic
example of the injustices faced

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by Black women at the hands of
law enforcement and society,

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even in their most vulnerable
moments.

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Patricia Ann King is a woman who
takes pride in her

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relationships, especially with
her 17 beautiful grandchildren.

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Her youngest child was Elijah
Timmons.

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Patricia's first son tragically
passed away in a car accident

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seven years ago, leaving her
devastated.

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She believes he was purposely
run off the road and the

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Hendersonville police never took
action to solve the case.

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The loss of her son, Elijah, and
the way she has been treated by

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HPD only adds salt to her
wounds.

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Now, Patricia is not only
mourning the loss of her son,

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but also raising his young
daughter and her twin sisters,

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daughters, ages 810 and 11.
Despite this tragedy, Patricia

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has dedicated herself to helping
others.

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She works as a community health
worker and organizes support

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groups for mothers who have lost
their children.

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This passion for aiding others
has always been a part of

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Patricia's life.
She worked as ACNA for 19 years

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before becoming a bus driver for
a Black charter school.

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To keep busy, she continues to
take classes and be involved in

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the community health field.
Although she has been single for

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three years now, Patricia was
previously married to the father

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of all seven of her children for
six years before getting into a

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24 year relationship with her ex
partner.

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Elijah, or Dude as Patricia
affectionately called him due to

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his mature nature, was always
full of energy.

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Despite his mischievous
behavior, he was incredibly

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smart and had a great sense of
humor.

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Even at a young age.
He was independent and loved

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taking things apart just to put
them back together again.

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However, after Patricia
divorced, her husband, Elijah

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began struggling in school and
acting out.

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It seemed like he was searching
for his absent father and

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feeling let down by his absence.
The family moved between North

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Carolina and Atlanta frequently,
with Elijah spending summers

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with his father until eventually
living with him for full school

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years as he got older.
As a teenager, he longed for

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freedom and spent time with
friends, but Patricia was

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working two jobs and had to be
strict.

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She didn't allow him to have
visitors or go out, insisting

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that he stay home.
He eventually fell in love with

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an older girl named Brittany,
who lived with her mother.

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Despite Patricia's objections,
their relationship continued,

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and Elijah became a father at a
young age to two sons, Z and

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Mealy.
Patricia became a proud

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grandmother, but her son also
fathered a child with Shanika, a

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girl named Key.
Years later, Patricia's son met

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a woman named Shay, who stood by
him through thick and thin.

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She witnessed his struggles and
triumphs, including the birth of

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their son.
Why a year as a father?

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Patricia's son showered love and
tenderness upon all three of his

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children, especially Key.
Despite facing injustices and

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serving time in jail, he worked
tirelessly to provide for his

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family and turn his life around.
But the system was against him

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from the start, as he constantly
faced mistreatment from biased

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police officers and an unfair
justice system.

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Despite never showing
disrespect, he was repeatedly

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targeted and unjustly held in
jail for petty reasons.

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Patricia was advised to be tough
on her son, but she refused to

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do so because she saw his
goodness in jail.

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He endured countless hardships
while his complaints were

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ignored and bonds set at
unattainable amounts.

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Despite these obstacles, he
persisted by working multiple

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jobs to support his children and
striving for a brighter future.

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Though not without flaws, he
never gave up on turning his

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life around.
Upon arriving at her mother's

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house, Patricia immediately
recognized the familiar faces of

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her family members, all gathered
together in lively conversation.

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She stayed for a few hours
before deciding to head back to

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the city, knowing that going to
her mother's house would mean

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having to stay overnight due to
limited sleeping arrangements.

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She resisted the temptation and
didn't want to intrude on their

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time with her son's newborn
niece, Adore Life Elijah.

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The first time she held her was
earlier that evening before they

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left for Patricia's house.
Upon safely returning home, her

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son called to check in and ask
if she still planned on going

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out, despite his drunken
suggestion for her to retrieve

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his gun for protection, which
was captured by her room Ring

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camera and later shown at court.
Days before Thanksgiving,

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Patricia got a call from her son
Elijah.

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He needed a ride home from work,
and she happily obliged.

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As they drove, he revealed his
desire to spend the holiday with

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his family instead of on the
job.

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She was touched by his constant
joking and laughter throughout

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the day.
As they chatted on the phone on

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their way back to Patricia's
house, Elijah mentioned needing

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to make a stop at his own place
first to grab some clothes.

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They ended up making a circle
from Candler to Hendersonville

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to Brevard, spending quality
time with loved ones at each

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stop along the way.
When they finally arrived back

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at Patricia's, Elijah took a
shower while they bonded with

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his sister and her kids.
The whole family then gathered

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in the dining area, enjoying
drinks and catching up as

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Patricia finished whipping up
delicious banana puddings for

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everyone.
But as the night went on,

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Patricia couldn't help but
notice how much Elijah seemed

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eager and obsessed with taking
selfies with all the little

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ones.
It was unusual behavior for him,

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but she brushed it off at first.
However, when he refused to

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listen to a gospel song by
Marvin Sapp and insisted on

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playing other music instead, she
started to feel uneasy.

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Memories flooded back of how
Jesus had always been there for

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her during tough times, and she
couldn't shake off that feeling

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of discomfort.
Suddenly, Elijah opened up about

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his brother, who had
miraculously survived being shot

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thanks to wearing a Virgin Mary
T-shirt and Jesus piece.

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More people arrived at the
party, including Shay from

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Charlotte, and they continued to
drink and socialize.

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Despite Patricia's protests of
not wanting to look crazy,

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Elijah insisted on taking more
selfies with her throughout the

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night.
The last one was when she went

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to change and Shay joined them
before they all headed out to

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their cars.
But right before they left,

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Patricia's daughter noticed that
Elijah was missing.

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She remembered seeing him asleep
on her bed earlier and quickly

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woke him up to join them in the
car.

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As they drove to his
grandmother's house, Patricia

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couldn't help but feel guilty
for disturbing his sleep.

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But they ended up having an
enjoyable rest of the evening

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together with family.
However, as she rode out into

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the empty streets of downtown
Asheville, where everyone else

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seemed to be celebrating
Thanksgiving at a party in an

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orchard, Patricia couldn't shake
off the uneasy feeling that

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lingered.
It was like a dark cloud hanging

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over their perfect holiday
gathering.

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Patricia rushed home, yearning
for the comfort of her

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sanctuary.
She shed her clothes and sunk

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into a steaming bath, hoping to
wash away the stress of the day.

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Donning her satin pyjamas, she
snuggled into bed with her phone

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close by, ready to drift off
into slumber.

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But sleep was fleeting as her
daughter's frantic call pierced

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through the peaceful night.
Patricia's heart raced as she

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learned that her son had been
shot by police.

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Without hesitation, she threw on
some socks and scrambled for her

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slides, dreading what she would
find.

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When she arrived at the scene,
her worst fears were confirmed

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as an officer blocked her from
reaching her son's lifeless

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body.
In a frenzy, she fought against

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the restraints and screamed for
mercy, only to be tackled to the

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ground with brutal force.
As chaos and screams filled the

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air, Patricia could only pray
for salvation from this

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nightmare.
With each passing 2nd, her

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desperation grew as she realized
her own child was suffering just

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a few feet away from her in this
unjust attack by law

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enforcement.
And then darkness overtook her.

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Patricia's mind was racing,
trying to comprehend the

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brutality that had just unfolded
in front of her.

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Her body ached from being
dragged across the pavement by

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the police.
She could see her child laying

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nearby, his life hanging by a
thread.

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But with each attempt to reach
him, she was met with force and

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aggression.
The officer showed no mercy as

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they shoved her into the back of
their car, ignoring her cries

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and pleas for answers.
As they drove her to the

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station, their threats and
hostility only intensified.

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And when they finally arrived,
Patricia's worst fears were

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realized as she was stripped of
her dignity and treated with

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utter disrespect.
It was clear that these officers

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saw her not as a vulnerable
mother desperate for her child,

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but as a criminal to be
punished.

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Despite being confused and
terrified, Patricia refused to

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remain silent about the
injustice she witnessed.

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But even speaking out came at a
cost, as one officer threatened

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her with violence while another
went so far as to spit in her

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water.
In this moment of chaos and

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cruelty, Patricia couldn't help
but wonder what would become of

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her and her children in this
unjust situation.

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Patricia was baffled.
It didn't make any sense.

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Why would her son's killer do
something so cruel?

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Patricia sat stiffly in the
interrogation room, listening as

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Detective Bonanno detailed her
son's brutal murder.

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The air was thick with tension
and sadness as she awaited the

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video footage that would reveal
the truth.

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After expressing his
condolences, the detective

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finally played the footage for
Patricia, showing her a world of

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violence and betrayal.
She couldn't believe what she

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was seeing, her son being
attacked by multiple assailants,

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all while a girl unknown to
Patricia stood by.

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In a desperate attempt to
understand the events leading up

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to her son's death, Patricia
begged to take a picture of the

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mysterious girl for later
investigation, but as they

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continued watching, it became
clear that this was no random

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act of violence.
Her beloved son had been

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targeted by Terence Burton,
calmly walking towards him with

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a gun in hand before taking his
life.

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The cold blooded killer made his
escape in a flashy red car,

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leaving Patricia numb with grief
and determination to seek

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justice for her son's senseless
death.

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And as she shared her suspicions
with Detective Bonanno, they

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both knew that Terence had done
this before.

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He was a seasoned murderer whose
thirst for blood could not be

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quenched.
Her son knew the killer, and

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when she asked witnesses about
the incident, she got some of

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the answers she was looking for.
The chaos erupted outside the

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club, but inside, eyewitnesses
saw Terence approach Elijah with

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a hug before unleashing his
savage attack.

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Patricia was stunned and
demanded answers.

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She interrogated witnesses,
asking if he saw the assailant

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flee in a car and if he
remembered the license plate

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number.
They confirmed everything and

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provided crucial details to
identify the perpetrator.

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With new found clarity on the
culprit, Patricia vowed to take

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action.
She made two calls, one to the

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DA for a warrant and another to
the detective for an update.

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Yet days passed without any news
or progress in apprehending the

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suspect.
Fuming with rage, Patricia

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relentlessly contacted the
detective, demanding to know why

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her son's killer was still
roaming free.

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The flimsy excuse given was that
they couldn't find him, leaving

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Patricia with a gnawing sense of
dread for her family's safety.

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A few days later, while her
daughter's car broke down in a

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parking lot, she came across the
mother of Terence Burton, the

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man who took Elijah's life.
Without hesitation, Patricia

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raced to the scene and saw
Terence and his clan cowering in

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their cars.
Though there was a police car

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nearby, it was conveniently off
duty.

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Drawing on all her strength to
contain her frustration,

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Patricia tried to warn the
officer about Terrence's wanted

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status, but was met with
indifference.

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She then bombarded the detective
with calls until her daughter

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finally got through.
It turned out that Terrence was

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being questioned by the cops for
Intel on a shooting that

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happened weeks ago.
But despite being identified as

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the shooter, 30 year old
Terrence had yet to be arrested.

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Confused and fed up, Patricia
demanded an explanation as to

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why they hadn't just picked him
up already.

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The detective revealed that they
were also rounding up other

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suspects from Buncombe County
based on phone records found at

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the crime scene.
And a couple of weeks later, all

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those individuals were taken
into custody for drug charges.

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But even with this significant
development, there was still no

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news of Terence's arrest or
court dates.

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Determined to get answers,
Patricia called the Police

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Department but was brushed off
by Detective Bonanno, who

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insisted on a meeting on
December 12th, the same day as

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Elijah's funeral.
Despite voicing her concerns,

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she reluctantly agreed.
Deep down, Patricia knew

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something wasn't right.
It all seemed too fishy, yet

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eerily fitting at the same time.
On December 12th, Patricia and

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her daughter made their way to
the Police Department just two

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days after laying Elijah to
rest.

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As they arrived, they were
separated and taken to different

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rooms to give statements.
Patricia was led into a room

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called the Training Room, where
she was greeted by Detective

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Alan Bonanno, District Attorney
Andrew Murray, and Police

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Captain Patton with Shay by her
side.

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Patricia took a seat as Bonanno
positioned himself at the corner

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of the table on her left, with
the DA in the middle and Captain

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Patton to his left.
As Detective Bonanno droned on

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about the investigation,
Patricia's mind was consumed

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with thoughts of her son.
The video evidence they

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presented only served to deepen
her confusion and disbelief.

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She hadn't seen any muzzle flash
or sparks of fire when she

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watched her son die in that
crowd.

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How could so many people have
missed something so crucial?

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Her frustration grew as she
tried to make sense of their

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claims.
Were they really accusing her

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son of having a gun?
But Detective Bonanno delivered

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the final blow, admitting that
their investigation had hit a

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dead end.
Despite hours of work and

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multiple individuals reviewing
the footage, there was no clear

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answer.
It was almost too much for

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Patricia to bear, feeling like
she was being blamed for

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something she knew nothing
about.

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The detective responded calmly,
explaining that he avoided

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mentioning specific details to
spare Patricia any further

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distress.
She scoffed, stating that she

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was not easily manipulated.
He reassured her that he had

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conducted a thorough
investigation, but the evidence

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pointed towards her son being
the aggressor in the

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altercation.
Patricia argued vehemently that

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her son had been attacked by a
group and claimed that any

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actions he took were justified
in self-defense.

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The detective mentioned
something about a disagreement

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turning violent, but Patricia
insisted that the video footage

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shown to her did not support
this claim.

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She accused the police of bias
and stated that her son was not

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involved in any gang activity.
Despite her protests, the

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detective refused to press
charges until someone from the

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parking lot came forward with
new information.

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Shea became upset and announced
she was leaving with her child,

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prompting Patricia to follow
suit.

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While the detective followed
behind, apologizing for his

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actions Along the way, Patricia
listened intently as the details

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of her son Elijah's shooting
were recounted.

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The prosecutor claimed to have
presented video evidence to the

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defendant but declined to press
charges.

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Witnesses who saw the entire
incident remained silent, either

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out of fear or indifference.
Shay, who had witnessed it all,

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revealed to Patricia that
Shekelia Campbell, a former

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girlfriend of her father Ernest
Robs, also known as Pee Wee, was

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now dating Keon Anderson and was
present at the time of the

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shooting.
Shea believed that Shekelia had

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played a part in providing the
gun used to kill Elijah and

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confronted her about it.
However, Shekelia denied any

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involvement and insisted that
Keon had taken her gun without

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her knowledge.
But Shea knew better.

457
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,400
Shekelia was just trying to
cover her tracks.

458
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,160
Rumors on the street suggested
that Shekelia had sneaked the

459
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,920
gun into the club in her purse,
and somehow it had ended up in

460
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,920
Terrance's hands, with which he
shot Elijah.

461
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,560
When Shea asked her father, Pee
Wee, to inquire about the purse

462
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,920
that allegedly held the gun used
in the shooting, Shekelia

463
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,880
eventually admitted she
possessed it.

464
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,480
According to her, Kayan had
cursed her out for having the

465
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,320
purse.
Patricia couldn't make sense of

466
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,960
it all.
She suggested that Shea record

467
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,920
their conversation when she went
to retrieve the purse, just in

468
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,640
case Shekelia let something
slip.

469
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,920
Despite not fully believing that
Shekelia was involved, Patricia

470
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,960
wanted to leave no stone
unturned in their investigation.

471
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,000
Shay was visibly distressed and
still struggling after what

472
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,880
happened.
As she arrived at Shekelia's

473
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,360
house and stepped out of her
car, Shekelia immediately began

474
00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:58,080
talking about how Keon had taken
her gun that night.

475
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,920
Unbeknownst to Shekelia, Shay
turned on her phone's recording

476
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,480
feature and quietly captured
their incriminating conversation

477
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,600
from behind.
Shakelia ranted on about various

478
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,840
events that had occurred but
made sure to tell Shay that two

479
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,640
years prior, Elijah had become
enraged at her for something and

480
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,760
threatened her with a gun.
She claimed that he was later

481
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:23,760
killed in the same manner.
Hearing this, Shay felt sick and

482
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,640
turned to Pee Wee for
clarification.

483
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,680
He confirmed that Shakelia had
told him the story, but stated

484
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,240
that she had said Elijah pointed
the gun at her instead.

485
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,200
None of it made sense to Shay or
Patricia.

486
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,920
According to what they heard,
Kian believed that Elijah had

487
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,880
been intimate with Terence
Burton's children's mother, who

488
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,480
was also involved in drugs along
with Shakelia and Kian.

489
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,640
However, Patricia knew that her
son had no interest in such

490
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,560
relationships due to their drug
use.

491
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,320
Terence's children's mother was
hot for Elijah, but he refused

492
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,920
her advances as she was strung
out on drugs.

493
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,480
She loved to party in her
private after hours spot with a

494
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,880
stripper pole in the living room
where wild kickbacks took place

495
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,360
every night and weekend.
After the club, rumors flew

496
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,320
about the scandalous things that
went down there, including

497
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,360
inappropriate acts in front of
her own 12 year old daughter.

498
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,920
The poor child even had to sleep
with a knife under her pillow

499
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,840
for protection.
It's sickening to think what may

500
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,240
have happened to that young
girl.

501
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,720
In videos shown to us by
Patricia, Keon's girlfriend,

502
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,640
Shekelia can be seen near the
action during the fight between

503
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,920
Terence and Elijah.
At one point, Keon had to

504
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,320
physically push Shekelia away
from the brawl while Shea

505
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,000
desperately tried to stop
Terence from attacking and

506
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,880
intoxicated Elijah.
According to Patricia, a local

507
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,200
guy known as Fish was also
present during the murder as a

508
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,240
witness.
We're not sure of Fish's level

509
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,320
of involvement, but Patricia
received a photo and tip

510
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,640
identifying him as Marquis
resper during the incident.

511
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,840
Fish was right there taking
selfies and recording everything

512
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,080
that went down, later sharing it
on Instagram Live and other

513
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:10,000
social media platforms.
This begs the question, were any

514
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,200
of these witnesses questioned by
police?

515
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,920
And why haven't more people
spoken out or sought justice for

516
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,320
Elijah's tragic death?
It seems only Patricia is

517
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,040
fighting for justice in this
case.

518
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,840
After Shay revealed the truth
about Shakeelia's involvement in

519
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,000
setting up Elijah and the
shooting, Patricia felt a wave

520
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,560
of nausea wash over her.
The injustice and oppression

521
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,800
that her family faced was
suffocating her.

522
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:39,560
She watched videos of Shakeelia
hovering over Elijah, pulling

523
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,880
Shay away, and then cowering
behind a wall when she realized

524
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,880
what was about to happen.
It was crystal clear that

525
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,320
Shakeelia had knowledge of the
situation and chose to do

526
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,880
nothing to prevent it.
Patricia made a promise to

527
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:59,080
herself she would do everything
in her power to seek justice for

528
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:03,200
her son's senseless death.
Our writer and producer Jon

529
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,360
Reedberg jumped on a Zoom call
with Patricia where she

530
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,480
fearlessly spoke out about the
injustice inflicted upon her by

531
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,400
the police and the mishandling
of her son's case.

532
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,440
A GoFundMe page has been set up
under the name Justice for

533
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,240
Elijah Edward Timmons the 3rd.
For those who wish to support

534
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,080
the family, you can find the
link in the description of this

535
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,960
episode.
Without further ado, here is our

536
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,640
powerful interview with
Patricia.

537
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,880
Basically, my son was in the
club.

538
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,560
He was drinking and he was with
his girlfriend and he was with

539
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:39,600
his friends and they're having a
good time and I guess everybody

540
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,840
started to leave.
I don't see that part in this

541
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:46,760
particular set.
I mean this like screen, but you

542
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,400
just see him in there dancing
and having a good time and he's

543
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,040
walking around and stuff.
I got different frames from

544
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,520
people taking Snapchat videos
and stuff like that.

545
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,240
So it's all just to matches.
Everything matches.

546
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:04,040
So he what you can see him walk
like he he's going towards the

547
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:11,000
bar, which is passing Shakila,
Keon and Terrence.

548
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:17,680
So they're all sitting at this
little corner like the end of a

549
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,120
row of a, you know, bars, tables
and stools like at the end of

550
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,640
it.
And then he walks packed.

551
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:27,280
My son walks past them and as he
walks past them, I don't notice

552
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:28,720
anybody say anything or do
anything.

553
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,080
They just really silent, just
just watching them and not, not

554
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,160
know, you know, there's no.
Audio to this.

555
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:37,480
The part that the police showed
me.

556
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,000
And so my son comes back, and as
he's coming back, there's a.

557
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,960
Clique of God.
From this project called

558
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,680
Hillcrest.
And they're all just all, all in

559
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,320
that hole of a clique.
It's probably 1520 people just

560
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,240
in that little clique.
And they're sitting in front of

561
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,120
them, the three of them sitting
in front of them.

562
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:59,000
And so he walks past and as he
walks past, two of them was

563
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,200
coming from the direction my son
was headed.

564
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,680
So you could tell that the one
that was walking a little bit

565
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,840
ahead was actually trying to
bump into my son, but I guess he

566
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,880
staggered a little bit.
So he missed him.

567
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,840
But when he missed him, the
other one ran up.

568
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,480
Like he didn't run, but he he
kind of walks fast enough to

569
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,600
where he can bump him with his
chest.

570
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,480
And so when you see him do that,
my son is like looking around,

571
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,800
like, what in the world?
And I know he knows he's

572
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,320
inebriated.
So he's just looking.

573
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,320
And then you see him decide
like, yeah, there's a lot of

574
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:29,360
people in here.
Let me just leave.

575
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,000
So he turns around and he walks
off.

576
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,920
And when he walks off, he walks
through a corridor.

577
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,400
When he gets through the
corridor, he disappears, but

578
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,840
there's other people leaving
too, so he just disappears in

579
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,200
the corridor.
Well, you see he gone, which is

580
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,240
the guy in the brown Jean
looking pants.

581
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:53,320
And through those videos, he is,
he must have whistled or yelled

582
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:58,520
or did something to get
Terrence's attention because you

583
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:03,160
just see him snatch his head
around really fast and then take

584
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,080
off running.
So he takes off running, but

585
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,760
he's running through the
corridor in a crowd of people

586
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,800
who don't know what's, you know,
they just, they don't know

587
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,639
what's going on.
My son doesn't know he's coming.

588
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:15,880
But when you see there's no
video in that area, the next

589
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,840
video footage that you see is
over the door of the club and

590
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,239
then to the right of the door of
the.

591
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,360
Club, so it's kind of.
Close together, but it's two

592
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,480
cameras at the top of the door.
And so when you see this part

593
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,679
that he shows me, my son is
snatching his jacket off,

594
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,440
yanking it off.
So, you know, he ran through

595
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,480
there and hit him.
You know, he had to do something

596
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,520
in order to see him to snatch
his jacket off.

597
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,520
And and you know, he was mad.
And so once he got got him out

598
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,080
there in the parking lot and all
of them started to surround him.

599
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,920
They all just started taking
turns slapping him, punching

600
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:55,290
him, pulling his hair.
Just, you know, my son, is he,

601
00:34:55,290 --> 00:35:00,360
he was, he was a fighter.
So he would fight you and and he

602
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:05,520
was defending himself and so he
was fighting back.

603
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:11,320
But it was so many of them.
And so Terrence, I don't see

604
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,240
him.
Disappear from the crowd, but

605
00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:14,960
he, he.
Clearly disappeared from the

606
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,720
crowd because when the when the
detectives show me, when he he

607
00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:20,000
stops the part where they run up
the crowd and start beating on

608
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,080
him.
And the only reason why I know

609
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:25,120
that they did is because I have
footage from somebody Snapchat

610
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,120
recording it on the outside,
exactly what he showed me.

611
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,200
I got a video footage of the
exact same thing he showed me,

612
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:37,920
but on the other side of the
parking lot, you know, so he cut

613
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,280
it off so I wouldn't see them
jumping on him, but I already

614
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,560
knew what had happened.
So he he rolled it and scrolled

615
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,240
it down a little bit and he
said, there's your son.

616
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,760
I know you can't really see him
because it's dark.

617
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,400
And he had on a thing like this
on top of his head.

618
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:52,680
He had dreads.
And so he had.

619
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,480
We always wear the matching
colors, but he always wore.

620
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,280
Black.
So he goes, I don't know, you

621
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,800
don't see him, but he's standing
right there and he said I know

622
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:01,720
it's him because he's the one
that ends up dead.

623
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:07,840
So he starts to play it parents
walks calmly and just with his

624
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:12,560
hand down, right hand down, gun
in his hand, no shirt, no hat

625
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,760
and nothing in his left hand.
He just walks You don't distract

626
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,400
the crowd.
He don't say anything to them.

627
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,440
He just walks up behind them,
get a close enough distance to

628
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:29,360
my son basically postured
himself, raised his arm, shot

629
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:34,000
him and watched him fall.
And then he made this weird

630
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,680
circle like he didn't walk.
He didn't turn around and walk

631
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,040
back the way he came.
He he just made a circle and

632
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,800
walked back the way he came.
And I don't know why that always

633
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,520
stood out to me.
It was just weird when no

634
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:51,920
emotion, no, no reaction, just
like he was paid to do it.

635
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,320
That's just how I felt like.
And that's exactly what I say.

636
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,960
To the detective.
I was like, Oh my God.

637
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,680
I was like, he, he looks like he
was.

638
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,640
Paid to do that and I'm still
watching it.

639
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:05,760
And then he he keeps walking and
then he got in the car, a red

640
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,760
mid size car and he got in the
backside of the car.

641
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,000
At the time I couldn't tell
where he got him and I just seen

642
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:12,680
the door shut in the car pull
off.

643
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,520
But there's no way he got in the
car and crunk a car or mashed a

644
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:17,760
button or he didn't do none of
that.

645
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,760
He as soon as he shut the door,
the car was pulling off.

646
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,440
And so I said, you know, I said
that looks like somebody waited

647
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,320
for him.
And he was like, yeah, I've seen

648
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,240
that.
I said, did you see how he did

649
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:29,800
that?
I said, he look like he he's

650
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,960
done this before.
And he goes, yeah, that's what

651
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,040
we said too.
And I said this is.

652
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:35,360
Crazy.
Like why did he do that?

653
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:36,600
He said.
Well, I don't know what he said,

654
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,120
but.
Do you know when I first started

655
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:41,560
watching the beginning of the
video?

656
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,760
He said, you know, do you know
what the relationship is with

657
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,320
the two of your son and this
guy?

658
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,080
And I said no.
And I said, I don't, I mean,

659
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,400
he's 30, I don't know what, who
his friends are.

660
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,480
And he says, well, he walked up
to him and dabbed him up and

661
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,720
hugged him.
And then an hour later did this.

662
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,120
And I said that just don't make
sense to me.

663
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,160
But I know how Hillcrest is and
they're known for ganging people

664
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:03,680
and bullying and doing all that
stuff.

665
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,960
So the, the whole pure fact that
he hugged him was to get my son

666
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,080
to feel like everything is cool.
You know, we don't have no

667
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:11,080
problem.
We don't got no beef.

668
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,240
Everything is cool.
So he can get drunk and they can

669
00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:15,240
do what they did.
That was all the more reason why

670
00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:17,120
I was.
Explaining to him that this was

671
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:22,040
premeditated.
And so when I explained all that

672
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,360
to him, he said, well, you know,
he said, I believe you.

673
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,160
He asked me, did I know him?
How did I know him?

674
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,440
I told him I knew him by way of
the Internet, you know, just out

675
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,080
and about, you know, out in the
nightclub scenery.

676
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,040
Sometimes you would see him and
sometimes you wouldn't.

677
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,440
I hadn't seen him hardly ever,
but once or twice.

678
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,600
But I just, I knew who he was.
And so he said, well, you've

679
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,120
identified him.
Your daughter's identified him.

680
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:47,440
And so two phone calls.
I'm going to make 2 phone calls,

681
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,480
one going.
To be to the District Attorney.

682
00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:53,720
Get the warrant and then the
second phone call will be me

683
00:38:53,720 --> 00:38:54,840
calling you.
Telling you that he was.

684
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,600
Arrested.
So initially I think that that

685
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,520
was the plan where it went
crazy.

686
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:07,200
I, I really honestly don't know.
And just because he's going

687
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:15,880
along with it, I feel like that
behavior was intentional from

688
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,280
the, you know, maybe I, I really
thought that maybe he's going to

689
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,440
do the right thing, but I don't
know if he just all from the

690
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,320
jump was never going to do the
right thing.

691
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,440
But why show me that and then
have me be able to?

692
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,440
Prove that she showed it to me,
and then tell.

693
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:28,880
Me, I didn't see it.
And.

694
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,360
Ignore me all the way through
there, ignoring me on every end.

695
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:36,360
I've emailed, I've called today.
I actually called the attorney

696
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:38,800
because I was told by.
The.

697
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,960
The detective when my son's
autopsy.

698
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:44,680
OK, Matt.
Well, so I'm going too far

699
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,800
because I want to say this, I
petitioned the court to get a

700
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,840
court order to see the body dash
Cam because they had charged me

701
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,560
with assault on a police officer
and resist an arrest.

702
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:05,440
So that whole deal was a lot and
it was unnecessary.

703
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,040
But when I was released and I
came to see the video, then I

704
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:10,480
was just hopeful.
That they were going.

705
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:17,160
To do the right thing and they
just absolutely, I think what

706
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:21,160
they're trying to do is be up
more abusive than they already

707
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,520
have been and to cause more
trauma.

708
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,680
Expected me to just fall out.
Or, you know, throw my hands up.

709
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,480
Nobody in my position has ever
gone this far.

710
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:38,480
Nobody in my position has ever
took initiative or try to put up

711
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:44,200
a fight with them.
And so I just feel like it was.

712
00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:47,360
It's just a horrible place to be
to fight a system that is

713
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,920
designed automatically anyways
to oppress, but then to be

714
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:58,440
diligent and disrespecting me
and continuing to cause all this

715
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,880
stress and strain.
It's just a whole nother animal.

716
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:10,680
Do you think racism plays as a
factor in the way that they hell

717
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,040
in this case, because you said
it's black, it's two black men

718
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:15,840
involved.
They they just not really

719
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,640
showing any interest because of
that or what do you think the

720
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,440
issue is?
Absolutely.

721
00:41:21,720 --> 00:41:26,720
I absolutely believe that this
is the initial reason why I feel

722
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:35,480
like I think that when people
are this devilish, that they

723
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:41,240
fiend off of causing so much
hurt and pain to people who they

724
00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:45,440
just don't like.
And I always said to them, and

725
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,880
I've always been straight up and
when I speak to them, that it

726
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,320
had that would have been a white
guy, had I would have been a

727
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,680
white lady, the things that
happened to me that night would

728
00:41:53,680 --> 00:42:01,280
have never happened.
OK, OK.

729
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:08,560
And in regards to and can you
tell me about the gentleman who

730
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,680
shot your son, who, who was he
and why do you think and why you

731
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,920
think your son was set up among
among those people that was

732
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:22,560
involved in the shooting?
Well I honestly can't say why

733
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:27,360
because I've heard two scenarios
that just does not make any

734
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,320
sense.
And so one being pretty much

735
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,400
they both are pretty much the
same thing.

736
00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:38,520
I jealousy they didn't like my
son because all the women like

737
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:44,880
them and the girl didn't like my
son because I guess she's a drug

738
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:49,720
user and she has this kickback.
They call it a kickback party in

739
00:42:49,720 --> 00:42:53,000
her house every night of the
week anytime there's a club, you

740
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,600
know, the, the, she's the after
party.

741
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,640
She's got a pole in the middle
of her house.

742
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:01,160
So they're all over there doing
their drugs and partying and all

743
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,800
their stuff.
And my son wasn't attracted to

744
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,840
that.
And so I guess she pursued him a

745
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,400
few times and he just was like,
you know, no.

746
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:17,920
And so she just didn't like him.
And so Dion has, I want to say

747
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:22,680
two kids, but I want to say the
youngest child, his mom and my

748
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,680
son were really cool, really
cool.

749
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,480
And so I think he felt some type
of way about my son and his kids

750
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:32,040
mom, You know, they had a crazy
relationship and had broke up,

751
00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:36,280
but he felt like my son was, you
know, talking to her, whether

752
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,440
they were or not, I don't know.
But and then the one that

753
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:44,760
actually killed him, Terence,
pretty much the same thing that

754
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,920
he thought that my son was
talking to his his his mother.

755
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:52,080
But the types of relationships
that they have are not typical

756
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,440
relationships like what you know
you or I might have a older.

757
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,040
Set of people you know you date.
You go with somebody you have

758
00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:59,160
respect.
It ain't none of that.

759
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,560
It's we sleep with everybody.
We do what we want to do.

760
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,760
We come and go as we please.
But you can't do what you want

761
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,880
to do, you know?
And so Hillcrest is just known

762
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:15,040
for violence.
Just craziness all the time and

763
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,840
but they do and they will stick
together.

764
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,080
I mean, if you live over there,
you're part of the crew.

765
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,000
And if you go somewhere and
somebody has a problem with

766
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,280
somebody, we can just all jump
them and that they've done it

767
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:27,720
for you as long as I've been
here.

768
00:44:27,720 --> 00:44:34,720
That's just what they do.
From Shaquille's dad, who

769
00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:39,840
basically said that, yeah, he.
He felt like the whole scenario

770
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:45,920
was a plan originally that his
daughter didn't have a hand in

771
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,240
but and she didn't believe it
was going to happen.

772
00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:49,960
So that's why she didn't alert
anybody.

773
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:53,600
But once it did happen, she
freaked all out.

774
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,520
She was scared.
But if you listen to some of the

775
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:59,080
video and see some of the stuff
she's written and some of the

776
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:04,160
threats she's made, to me she's
full on 100% involved.

777
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,000
Just like the shooter.
She just is can.

778
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,040
You tell me about some of the
threats that she made towards

779
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:14,480
you.
Well, she so initially when all

780
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,440
this happened, I know we kind of
going backwards, so I didn't

781
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,400
really tell you like from the
jump how this all even came

782
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:26,760
about.
And so I hadn't seen tequila.

783
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:31,360
And maybe a month or two just in
in she worked at a restaurant.

784
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:32,600
I would go in there and order
food.

785
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,440
I would sit at the bar.
She was the bartender.

786
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,040
I would sit at the bar until my
food was ready.

787
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,120
So we would talk.
You know, hey, how you doing

788
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,120
type stuff, you know, just laugh
and giggle about, you know, just

789
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,880
common stuff.
But no, no serious

790
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,520
conversations.
I really didn't know for.

791
00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:49,360
Her, but she was friends.
With my daughter, a couple of my

792
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,440
kids.
So, you know, that's how I knew

793
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,360
her.
And so the last time I had seen

794
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,000
her, that was the attitude with
her.

795
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,080
And so I didn't even know that
she was at the scene.

796
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:02,920
I didn't know anything about
what happened.

797
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,240
I didn't know anything.
I just started putting pieces

798
00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:08,000
together after everything had
happened.

799
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:12,560
So we had had dinner at my
house.

800
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,600
I had cooked for, you know, a
whole day and a half.

801
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,480
And so my son asked me, Mom, can
you come pick me up for work?

802
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,920
I can't.
I went to pick him up and I

803
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,160
thought he was going to drop him
off at home and he said, no, I'm

804
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:23,720
going back.
I'm going to go home with you.

805
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,120
So I dropped him at his
girlfriend's house.

806
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,200
He got his clothes.
He came back to my house.

807
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,840
Because the plan was she was in
Charlotte with her family and

808
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:33,480
then she was going to come be
with us.

809
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,440
And then we're all going to go
to his dad's family, which is in

810
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,040
Hendersonville, which is 4-5
minutes away from that Orchard

811
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,000
bar.
And then we're going to go to my

812
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,640
mom's house, which is about 30
minutes away from there.

813
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:51,040
So him, his siblings were in
here, they're drinking, they're

814
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:52,920
having a good time.
They're getting the kids all

815
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:54,440
over the place.
He started playing all this

816
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,600
gospel music.
Want to take all these pictures

817
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,680
and it honest to God, just
because I'm so too into with my

818
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,120
kids.
I really felt that.

819
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,320
I don't know what that energy
was telling me, but I really

820
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:10,760
felt that.
And so it went by my head just a

821
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,800
couple times like, why?
Why are you listening to this

822
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,000
music?
I'm trying to dance and do my

823
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,600
thing in here and finish this,
these banana puddings.

824
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,600
And he's like, Mama, I never
would have made it if it wasn't

825
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,160
for Jesus.
So he was playing Marvin Sapp.

826
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:28,400
And so again, my son wasn't a
church going person.

827
00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:30,600
I mean, I know he believed in
God because I took him to

828
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:35,640
church, you know, but I've never
seen a thought that side of him

829
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,320
really.
And so he was in here just in a

830
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,000
good spirit, laughing and
joking, which is always him.

831
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:48,680
And we I got dressed.
I started to get dressed and he

832
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:49,840
kept saying, Mama, come take a
picture.

833
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,080
And I was like, I ain't taking
no pictures.

834
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,880
I'm sweaty Albanese kitchen.
I'm gonna I'm gonna get my I'm

835
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,840
gonna get right.
And then you can take pictures.

836
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,200
Well, he grabbed me and was like
man.

837
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,200
Just told the sister Man, just
take this picture.

838
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:01,600
We ain't got time to wait on
her.

839
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,680
And so it was the picture that
you see me kind of doing that

840
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,520
and leaning over him.
It was the last picture that I

841
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:13,120
got to take with him.
And so I went.

842
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,240
I went and got in the shower.
I come out, everybody's loading

843
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:18,480
up kids, we're loading up cars,
we're getting ready to leave.

844
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,720
He was on my bed sleep and I
woke him up and for a second

845
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:23,560
something said don't wake him
up.

846
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,960
I just something told me not to
wake him up.

847
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,640
But I thought if I wait, if he
wakes up and we're all gone an

848
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:34,440
hour away, he's going to be mad.
So I woke him up, we loaded up,

849
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,720
everybody loaded into the cars.
We got outside and I don't know

850
00:48:37,720 --> 00:48:40,240
who it was, but somebody was
like, where's do that?

851
00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:42,520
I called him dude.
And there was like, where is he

852
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,240
at?
And I said, he's in the car And

853
00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:45,520
they were like, no, he's not in
the car.

854
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:50,080
So I came back upstairs and he
went back into my baby's room

855
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:55,880
and gotten went back to sleep.
So I I kept on until I woke him

856
00:48:55,880 --> 00:49:02,680
up and then we finally left.
And so we ended at his

857
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,360
grandmama's house, his great
grandma's house, his dad was

858
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:09,480
there, his aunt, that sister,
his, his aunts and all the great

859
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,360
aunts and all them were there.
And we hung out until I got kind

860
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:13,920
of tired.
And his sister had just had a

861
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:19,040
baby a month prior to that.
So she was not she was ready to

862
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,640
go to bed, take the baby in.
So we were going to come back to

863
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,840
Buncombe County and go have a
drink.

864
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,040
But when she said she didn't
feel good, I was like, let's

865
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:31,880
just go ahead and go home.
So when I made it home, Elijah

866
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,640
called me and he was like, Ma,
you, you at home?

867
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,760
And I said, yeah, he says, are
you going to go out?

868
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:43,440
And I see y'all probably will.
And he said, well, listen, I

869
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:44,720
don't want you to go out by
yourself.

870
00:49:44,720 --> 00:49:46,040
I'm not going to be able to
protect you.

871
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:49,040
I want you to go get my gun.
And I was like, I am not going

872
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,240
to get no gun.
I had never shot a gun.

873
00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:53,960
I I've never really held a gun.
And I was just like, I ain't

874
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:55,280
going to get no gun.
But I don't know.

875
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:56,960
My son, he really was just being
funny.

876
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,920
But he was just like, I ain't
gonna be.

877
00:49:59,960 --> 00:50:01,760
He was drunk.
So he was like, I'm not going to

878
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,400
be able to protect you.
So I'm going to need you to be

879
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,920
able to protect yourself because
I have been jumped by these

880
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,920
little girls one time and
actually two months prior to

881
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:11,920
this.
So he was just like, I don't

882
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:13,000
want you to be out there by
yourself.

883
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:14,480
So I was like, you know what,
I'm just going to chill.

884
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:18,920
I'm going to stay home.
And that's pretty much what I

885
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:20,720
did.
I got my bath, I got in the bed

886
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:26,760
and I woke up with my phone
ringing basically in my hand.

887
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,840
And I think that it was my
daughter's number first.

888
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,000
And so I'm thinking she's
probably calling me because when

889
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,880
I see the time, it's like 2:30.
So I'm like, she's probably

890
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,880
calling me to see if I made it
back in because she thought I

891
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:42,480
went out.
And then I see Shay's number and

892
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:46,040
I knew my daughter had went home
and I knew Shay was with my son.

893
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,680
So then I just start to panic
because I, I just, I, I, it

894
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:53,960
just, it went all over my body.
So I answered, answered the

895
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:58,360
phone and my daughter was like,
mom, please hurry up, get your

896
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,080
clothes on.
Come on, let's go get you get up

897
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,760
and get your clothes on.
So my heart is like doing this

898
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,280
weird can't catch up with what's
going on type feeling.

899
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:11,480
And so then I see Shay's number
and I just stole the phone down

900
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,920
and just start screaming.
I don't know what it was, but I

901
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,360
just panicked and I just so I
answered her.

902
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,760
She's like she's screaming.
Trish, please get here, please

903
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:23,800
get here.
They shot him.

904
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:25,840
He shot him.
And I was like, who?

905
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,200
And she was like, I don't know,
I don't know.

906
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,880
I don't know.
He shot him.

907
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:36,040
And I said where?
And she was like, I don't know.

908
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,880
And I said, well, who's there?
And she was like, I don't know.

909
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:41,400
I said, well, is the ambulance
stairs?

910
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,640
That is the ambulance there.
She was like, no, I said it's

911
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:44,960
the police there.
She said yeah.

912
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,560
And I said, is his daddy there?
Yet and she was like, I don't

913
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,400
know.
And so I said.

914
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,240
OK, so I'm walking around the
house and I can't even think,

915
00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:55,760
but I had on a pair of pajamas
that just really didn't have no

916
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,960
elastic in them.
And it was just like a throw

917
00:51:57,960 --> 00:51:59,360
over, like a little pullover
shirt.

918
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,880
And I didn't have any
underclothes, bra and underwear

919
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,920
on up under it.
But I just threw my shoes on and

920
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,640
I ran out the door.
I jumped in my car and what

921
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:15,120
would have been, I guess a 30-40
minute drive was a 13 minute

922
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:19,400
drive for me because I'm on the
phone and I'm hearing all this

923
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:20,840
stuff and I'm hearing all these
people.

924
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:22,520
And people keep.
Calling and they're calling from

925
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:29,200
apps and they're just, all these
calls are coming in and I'm just

926
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:30,880
trying to stay on the phone
because I know she's right there

927
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:32,760
with him.
And she was just like please,

928
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:34,400
please, please.
He's still got a pulse, he's

929
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,480
still breathing.
He's still got a pulse, he's

930
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,360
still breathing.
And so as I'm getting off the

931
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:45,040
exit, which is probably four or
five lights from where they

932
00:52:45,240 --> 00:52:48,840
actually were, and SO2 lights
are like back-to-back together.

933
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:50,040
So you know, right there
together.

934
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,720
So I got to the first light and
it was red and I just remember

935
00:52:53,720 --> 00:52:56,640
it being red and his daddy's
number popping up on my phone.

936
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:57,840
And I was like, I don't want to
talk to him.

937
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,680
I want to keep her on the phone.
And when I swiped it, it

938
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:04,480
answered it and he goes Trish
they just.

939
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,120
Threw a blank a sheet over our
kid.

940
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:09,960
And I was like, what the F are
you talking about?

941
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,040
Like, no, I mean, I'm on the
phone right now, she said he's

942
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:16,480
breathing like right now.
And he was like, I just, I don't

943
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,960
know.
And so I just threw the phone in

944
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:23,000
the floor and I kept going.
And so probably a minute and a

945
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:26,400
half, maybe not even that long.
I mean, I got there and then I

946
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,000
swung up in the back of the
parking lot.

947
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,080
Like you could have went on the
strip because it's like a strip

948
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:34,440
mall, but I went to the side and
came up around the the side of

949
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:38,680
it and drove into the parking
lot so that I can go into the

950
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,960
open part of the parking lot.
And so when I got to the open

951
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,360
part of the parking lot, I seen
the sheet.

952
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,000
And as I got closer to the
sheet, I seen his hand.

953
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,400
And hanging out the sheet.
And then his head was half

954
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,120
covered, but his hand was
hanging out.

955
00:53:55,520 --> 00:54:00,200
So my thinking was he had to do
that because it was chaotic.

956
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,360
It was just all over the place,
people all over the place.

957
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,720
Nobody was being detained.
They were arguing with the

958
00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:08,960
police.
The police was fighting or

959
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,200
slamming somebody on the ground.
And I'm just, I don't know how

960
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,320
to make sense of any of it.
I just want to get to my child.

961
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,760
So I jump out my truck and I I
gunned for it.

962
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,920
Like I just run for him.
And right before I could just

963
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:23,880
literally touch him, I was just
surrounded by all these bodies

964
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:28,520
and I was just like, I just want
to, I got to check my child.

965
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:33,960
Just move.
Let me check my child.

966
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,880
I just need to see he's OK.
And I don't remember what they

967
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:39,240
were saying.
I don't remember what was what

968
00:54:39,240 --> 00:54:40,880
was being said.
I just knew that I was just

969
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:42,840
still trying to push, like
trying to get through them.

970
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:44,600
Like I got to get I got to get
to him.

971
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,360
And before I knew it, I was
slammed on the ground so hard my

972
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,600
chest hit the ground, but it
knocked the wind out of me.

973
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,840
But then I just kind of.
Put me in this mindset that I

974
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,840
didn't.
Even really know what was going

975
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:00,240
on, like it was just so much
that I didn't even recognize

976
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:03,800
what had just happened.
I mean, I knew I've been, I'm on

977
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:08,080
the ground and it's cold because
it was November and it's cold

978
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:14,160
and I just feel all these knees
and elbows and my arms are being

979
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,920
ripped behind me and yanked and
twisted.

980
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:22,040
My hands are being twisted and
my, my arms are being twisted

981
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,960
and I'm screaming like, Oh my
God, like what are y'all doing?

982
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,720
Like why are y'all doing this?
Like that's my child.

983
00:55:28,720 --> 00:55:32,480
Like this is my child.
And then I'm hearing my daughter

984
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,240
like that's my Mama.
Oh my God.

985
00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:36,720
I'm hearing the bystanders like
that's his Mama, that's his

986
00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:38,840
Mama.
And then I just hear my

987
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,560
daughter, one of my daughter's
just screaming.

988
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:54,040
Like she just was screaming.
And so I don't know what

989
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:55,320
happened.
I just don't, I don't know what

990
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,480
happened.
And I'm just seeing his hand in

991
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,560
between these knees that got me
on the ground.

992
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:01,960
Like my chin is on the ground,
but I'm seeing straight through

993
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,360
and I still see this hand.
And all I'm thinking about is

994
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:08,560
just let me touch it.
Just let me touch it, you know,

995
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,960
just just let me see.
Just let me see if he's, if

996
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:19,400
he's, you know, still breathing.
And before I know it, I just go

997
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,720
black.
Like I, I can't breathe well

998
00:56:21,720 --> 00:56:25,160
before before I go black, I, I'm
screaming, I can't breathe

999
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:28,600
because all the pressure on my
back was pushing my portal to

1000
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:30,760
the a flat surface that wasn't
breathing.

1001
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:31,960
So, you know, I'm saying it
wasn't moving.

1002
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:33,760
So.
I'm just like, Oh my God, I

1003
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,840
can't breathe.
And then I'm just visualizing

1004
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:39,040
like I'm about to die like this.
Is really gonna take like I'm

1005
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,040
really this is crazy.
This is really what's gonna

1006
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:48,880
happen.
Like so I I started feeling

1007
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:50,880
faint again.
So I was asking them to give me

1008
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:52,400
some water.
I asked them who was the

1009
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:53,720
officer.
And why was I there?

1010
00:56:53,720 --> 00:56:55,440
And what I didn't understand
this procedure.

1011
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,840
So they was like, we don't know
what the reason is for you being

1012
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:00,200
here.
And so we can't do anything

1013
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,200
about it.
The arresting officer has to be

1014
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,520
the one that comes in and give
you your target.

1015
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:07,640
So I'm like, well, if he's call
him back here and make him come,

1016
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:09,480
we can't get in contact with.
I mean, they was just

1017
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:15,160
antagonizing the hell out of me.
And so I asked one of the cops

1018
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:18,400
to give me some water and he was
doing something.

1019
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,600
And so he came back.
I said, can you give me a please

1020
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:22,080
give me some water?
I feel like I'm about to pass

1021
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:23,640
out.
I have been screaming and

1022
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:26,520
chanting and begging and
pleading.

1023
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:28,720
Like please just let me go see
about my child.

1024
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:33,800
Just begging them, telling them
like, do you have a Mama?

1025
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:35,800
Do you have a child?
Like why would you do this to

1026
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,320
me?
I'm just saying anything I can

1027
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:41,280
say.
Until all six or seven of them

1028
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,560
left and it was just two and
they were sitting behind a

1029
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:45,000
screen like laughing and doing
a.

1030
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,120
Little stuff.
So this third one I asked him

1031
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,320
for the water and so he.
Finally walked to the sink to

1032
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,160
get it, but the cop that was
sitting at the desk handed him

1033
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,640
the cup of water.
They didn't pay anything, pay

1034
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,200
any attention.
When he gave it to me, I got

1035
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,520
ready to put, I put it up to my
mouth and then I some told me to

1036
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,680
look in and when I looked in it
was something floating on the

1037
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:03,760
top of the water.
So I was just like.

1038
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,000
I know this is some crazy.
I know this.

1039
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,720
Ain't what I think it is like I
couldn't even believe it.

1040
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,800
So I sat the cup down and I
asked him again.

1041
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:13,200
I said, could you give me a cup
of water?

1042
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,200
And he looked like got one, but
he was like, OK, so he walked

1043
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:19,040
back over to the sink got got it
yourself and bring it back to

1044
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:20,760
me.
When he bring it back to me, I

1045
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,840
handed him the other cup.
I said, I said, what is that?

1046
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,320
And he says I don't know.
What are you talking about?

1047
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:28,440
He looked in the cup.
He's like, oh, what is that?

1048
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:32,120
I said he spit in the cup and he
was like, no, nobody would do

1049
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:34,720
that.
You know, I said, yeah, this is

1050
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:41,600
yeah, this is what y'all doing.
So I ended up, he ended up here

1051
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:43,920
comes the cop.
He's real nasty and arrogant.

1052
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,440
Like he's about 22 years old,
hot and he's smirking and

1053
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,280
walking up to me.
Well, I've got to read you all

1054
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,440
this stuff and blah, blah, blah.
So you don't need to say nothing

1055
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,240
to me like you intentionally
pulled me away from my children.

1056
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:55,400
I don't have nothing to say to
you.

1057
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,320
Get out my face and stay away
from me and so.

1058
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,560
He was like, oh, well, you'll
just be here if I can't react to

1059
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:03,720
get somebody else to do it
because you don't have to talk

1060
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,760
to me after the way you treated
me after you crammed and punched

1061
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:08,680
and did me in that car.
Like you don't get to talk to

1062
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:12,080
me.
So the one that gave me the

1063
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:15,320
water actually came back
probably 30 minutes later, like,

1064
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:18,080
let me just read you this and
take you to the Mash's window.

1065
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:20,480
I guess he might have been the
one that was like, let's, let's,

1066
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:21,760
let's get this woman out of
here.

1067
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:24,200
So he got me to the window.
The MASH.

1068
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:25,600
It was like, I'm not going to
arrest you.

1069
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:29,480
I mean, I'm not going to.
Give you a bail because I mean a

1070
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,880
bond because you because you've
already been through enough.

1071
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:33,800
But I'm telling you now, don't
go back up there.

1072
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:40,200
Your son's body's been moved and
make sure you come to this court

1073
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,960
date.
So I'm going to get ready to go.

1074
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:44,200
Out the door, this guy just
starts to.

1075
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,360
Apologize, I'm so sorry, I'm so
sorry I'm so sorry.

1076
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:49,440
I'm like you know what y'all did
how y'all treated me was just

1077
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,600
wrong.
I appreciate you because you was

1078
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,960
the lesser of the evil so to
speak, but I just y'all just

1079
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,200
wrong.
So I go out the door, I'm just

1080
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:01,680
feeling so depleted, you know
and so I get in the car, go home

1081
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:04,520
and for two days I couldn't even
I couldn't speak like I couldn't

1082
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:09,000
talk I couldn't I was just in
some kind of crazy state that I

1083
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:12,000
couldn't even speak.
So then I get that phone call to

1084
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:13,720
come down there.
So that's the part I was telling

1085
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:15,000
you.
Once I got down there, he showed

1086
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,160
me the video of what happened,
told me he was going to call the

1087
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:21,720
DA so.
Three weeks after my son was

1088
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:24,200
killed is with his funeral.
Well, so the first week the

1089
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:30,240
funeral, I mean the coroner's
had him, the second week the

1090
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:33,520
funeral, Funeral Home had him.
But I couldn't, I wasn't in no

1091
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,400
condition to the process getting
the funeral together.

1092
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:38,440
So I made it for the following
week.

1093
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:41,200
At the time I didn't realize it
was my mama's birthday.

1094
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:44,320
My brother's birthday on the 9th
was his actual funeral.

1095
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:47,080
And then the 12th was the day
they actually asked me to come

1096
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:49,360
in to talk to them and basically
demand it because I was like, I

1097
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:50,360
don't know how I'm going.
To feel like this.

1098
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,560
Funeral so I'll call you and
he's like no, I need you to come

1099
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:56,360
Tuesday.
But it's because they had

1100
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:58,560
already put it out to the news
that they were not going to file

1101
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:01,600
charges.
So when I got there, I'm sitting

1102
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:06,120
there with the District
Attorney, the detective and the

1103
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:10,360
captain of the police, and
they're sitting in the L shape,

1104
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:14,160
the detective, the chief of.
I mean the detective, the DA and

1105
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:15,920
the chief, the captain of the
police.

1106
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:18,400
Are sitting in a row, me and my
daughter sitting side by side.

1107
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:22,080
She's at my right and she's got
her baby and they.

1108
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:23,760
He just started mumbling,
putting his head.

1109
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:25,720
Down I have been.
Calling him and asked him all

1110
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:27,120
during this time like what's
going on?

1111
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:29,280
Why haven't he been arrested?
You told me he's going to be

1112
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:30,800
arrested.
What was this other things that

1113
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:33,640
came up on the video.
So we we're, we got some.

1114
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:35,240
Specialist looking at it and
we'll get.

1115
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:37,480
Back in contact.
With you, that was the first

1116
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:39,440
excuse, the second excuse.
Was that they couldn't.

1117
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:43,000
Find him.
I wandered around, so I, you

1118
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:44,600
know, my daughter ended up
running into him.

1119
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:46,440
I, you know, called them for
that.

1120
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:50,760
That's what he told me he was
like.

1121
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:53,240
We just told his mom.
That's the reason why she's out

1122
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:55,080
there in his parking lot crying
because my daughter's seen her

1123
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:57,800
crying and called me like Mama,
this guy's mama's in his parking

1124
01:01:57,800 --> 01:01:59,720
lot crying.
And I said don't say nothing to

1125
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:00,680
her.
I'm going to come down and help

1126
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:02,320
you with your car.
And I got down there and I

1127
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:05,280
noticed that he was in the back.
Seat of a car of ASUV with his

1128
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:06,800
hands across the back of the
seat.

1129
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:09,040
So I so I.
Started calling the police,

1130
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:12,000
like, I mean, calling to take it
like I see him come get him and

1131
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,840
he was like, yeah, the reason
why his mom is crying because we

1132
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,520
just made contact with her and
we told her that she needs to

1133
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:20,320
bring him in to be questioned
about this murder.

1134
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:21,840
And I said you sound.
Crazy as hell.

1135
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:23,360
I mean, it just hit me all kinds
of ways.

1136
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:25,960
I think he is 30 years old you
know he don't need his Mama to

1137
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:28,840
bring him.
Y'all come and get him like now

1138
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:30,360
come and get him.
Well Miss King, there's some

1139
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:33,240
things that came out we're going
to talk to you about it.

1140
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:35,800
Not I just knew then I didn't
think it was going to be this

1141
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:42,560
but I just I don't know.
So the 12 comes I go we sitting

1142
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:44,160
down.
He just thought, he puts his

1143
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:46,360
head down and he's mumbling and
talking and stuff.

1144
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:50,840
And I said, what is wrong?
And he was like, well, we're not

1145
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:52,880
going to be able to file charges
at this time.

1146
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:54,680
And I said, what are you talking
about?

1147
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:56,440
He was like, we're not going to
be able to file charges at this

1148
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:59,080
time.
Because when I showed you that

1149
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:01,880
circle of people and I he was
like, I, I realized that there

1150
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:06,560
was a muzzle flash that I didn't
recognize when I showed you the

1151
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:10,000
the video and I said, I said
that don't even make damn sense.

1152
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:11,880
I said, you pointed out because
it was dark.

1153
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:13,160
So how did you see a muzzle
flash?

1154
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:14,680
I said that could have been
people's phones.

1155
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:16,320
That could have been a car going
by.

1156
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:17,960
It could have been anything.
I don't know what the hell you

1157
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:19,520
talking about, but I know what I
see.

1158
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:24,160
So what are you talking about?
So he goes, well, Miss King, the

1159
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:28,560
more and more we looked at it,
you know, we had 50 people look

1160
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:30,920
at the video, hours and hours of
going through this stuff.

1161
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,920
I said, wouldn't know, 50 people
need to look at this now, hours

1162
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:36,360
and hours wouldn't need it.
One person seeing what you

1163
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:38,480
showed me, his ass could have
been in jail.

1164
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:43,200
And so he says, well, no, that's
not actually what happened.

1165
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:45,360
And the reason why I didn't
show, I said why you didn't

1166
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,640
point out to me my son look like
he was shooting that day.

1167
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:50,200
He's like, well, because I, I
just wanted to protect you.

1168
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:53,240
I didn't want to upset you any
more than you already were.

1169
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:55,600
And so I I hid that part from
you.

1170
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:56,960
You'll hear that on one of the
videos.

1171
01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:00,000
He's saying to me, I didn't tell
you that part because I didn't

1172
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:02,000
want to upset you, but you
showed me this boy walking up

1173
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,680
and killing my child.
It didn't make.

1174
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:08,480
Sense and so.
I jump up and like, just give me

1175
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:09,720
your cards.
Let me get out of here because I

1176
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:11,000
just.
Didn't know what my brain was

1177
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,600
going to say to do so I was like
let me get away from y'all and

1178
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:15,160
so the.
Captain walked away and got the

1179
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:17,720
cards and the DA and the the
attorney.

1180
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:19,720
So I'm like, what are you doing?
What what are you saying?

1181
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:22,920
And he was like, Miss King, I'm
just so sorry I gave, you know,

1182
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,640
I presented the evidence and
it's the district attorney's,

1183
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:29,160
you know, deal.
And you know, he's choosing not

1184
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:30,360
to charge.
And I'm like, what are you

1185
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:31,600
talking about?
He's choosing not to charge.

1186
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:34,760
You see a murder like that you
have to charge and he goes I'm

1187
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:37,400
the one not the DA says I'm not
the one that's charging.

1188
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:40,000
I've chosen not to charge and
I'm not going to charge till

1189
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:43,000
somebody in that parking lot
comes and tells me what

1190
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:44,680
happened.
I said you don't need nobody to

1191
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:46,440
tell you got a video of what
happened?

1192
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:50,160
Like he was like well until one
of those people come out that

1193
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:52,680
come out that parking lot
telling me what happened, I'm

1194
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:53,800
not going to do anything about
it.

1195
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:56,040
And all y'all going to do
anyways is go get your brothers,

1196
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:58,520
your cousins, your friends and
his ass will be dead in a week.

1197
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:10,400
Wow.
I mean, I just, I just thought I

1198
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:13,480
was in the Twilight zone.
Like I just, this was not a real

1199
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:16,920
life.
It just wasn't a real life

1200
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:19,680
thing, you know?
And this man standing in front

1201
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:25,560
of me, look at me square in the
face with this arrogant face and

1202
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:28,320
waiting on me to respond to
that.

1203
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,120
I mean, it was just like.
Being kicked in the face.

1204
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:34,640
While you had me on the ground,
my hands behind my back with my

1205
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:42,640
ass out like it just felt like I
was being spit off and I just I

1206
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:45,120
couldn't make any sense out of
what was happening.

1207
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:48,200
And so I just I got to go like I
got to get away from y'all.

1208
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:55,280
So I go start heading out the
door and well he when he said

1209
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:57,680
that to me actually he started
yelling at saying put them damn

1210
01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:00,160
phones down y'all gangs this
gangs bad.

1211
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:02,000
I mean just ranting over
something.

1212
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:03,560
I don't even know what the hell
he was talking about.

1213
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:04,480
Because I was like, my son is
not.

1214
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,440
In the gang, he's never been
affiliated with a gang, he's

1215
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:07,600
never been charged to be in the
gang.

1216
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:10,080
I want to hear you talking about
now we so we're having this

1217
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:10,720
kind.
Of a it.

1218
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:13,680
Wasn't an argument, but I was
just saying what I was saying.

1219
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:17,560
And so when I walked off, my
daughter was already out the

1220
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:19,560
little the little first part of
the doorway.

1221
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:21,880
So she's out at the door to go
out the building.

1222
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:23,920
So I follow behind her and he
stops me.

1223
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:27,080
He grabs me by the arm like
gently, but grass touches my arm

1224
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:29,080
and he goes, Miss King, I'm so
sorry.

1225
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:31,520
I did everything I could.
I gave all the evidence.

1226
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:33,680
It's not my call, it's DA's
call.

1227
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:35,840
I said, what the hell do you
what are you talking about?

1228
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:39,760
I said, how could he not charge
this boy after you watch him

1229
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:41,760
kill him the way that he did?
And you know, it was

1230
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:45,760
premeditated because when he was
out there fighting him, he

1231
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:48,840
didn't have a gun in his hand.
He had a hoodie on and a hat on.

1232
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:51,320
So he wasn't, he didn't have
that gun.

1233
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:54,880
And so he was like, when your
son shot, I said my son, if my

1234
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,560
son would have shot in that
crowd of people, why didn't they

1235
01:06:57,560 --> 01:06:59,600
scatter when my son pulled the
gun first?

1236
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:02,520
Why didn't people take off
running and haul ass then?

1237
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:04,240
Because then none of those
people was his.

1238
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:08,360
Friends, I said.
But you seeing how that boy

1239
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:10,440
walked up there behind that
crowd of people and shot and

1240
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:13,080
then everybody took off running
and he said, well, ma'am, I

1241
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:14,720
promised to God I did everything
I could.

1242
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:16,560
I just want you to believe me.
I said, I'm tell you something.

1243
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:23,200
I said I'm not miss betting him
I'm not and you're not going to

1244
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:24,640
be able to get away.
You're not going to get away

1245
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:27,440
with this like I don't I don't
know what is what's going to

1246
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:30,520
have to happen, but I promise
you on everything I love, if

1247
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:33,240
it's the last thing I do, you
will pay for what you're doing.

1248
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:35,640
I said you got right now to fix
it.

1249
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:38,000
You got right now to go arrest
this boy and that girl and that

1250
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:39,400
guy.
I said you have right now to do

1251
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:40,880
that.
I say, because if you let me

1252
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:43,680
walk out this damn building and
you don't charge this these

1253
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:46,240
people and there ain't nothing
going on the news about all this

1254
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:48,000
stuff.
I said I'm going to raise all

1255
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:49,880
kind of heal.
Well, I just hope you let

1256
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:51,400
everybody know I'm doing the
best I can.

1257
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:52,480
It wasn't to me.
It wasn't.

1258
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:53,960
It's what he kept saying.
It wasn't me.

1259
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:56,240
And I'm like, you sound crazy as
hell.

1260
01:07:57,080 --> 01:08:00,920
I mean, how does it sound to say
that when you know it?

1261
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:03,320
I said so if you feel like you
can't do nothing about it and

1262
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:04,800
you know what's wrong.
You it's a.

1263
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:06,400
It's a.
Chain of command go over his

1264
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:11,280
damn head.
So and that's just been it.

1265
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:15,160
So I petitioned the court.
I got the court order to see the

1266
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:19,160
body dash Cam.
The judge that was there was

1267
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:21,520
going to be there Ended up not
being there because they was

1268
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:23,600
telling me don't expect to be
able to see these videos.

1269
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:24,680
They're not going to let you see
them.

1270
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:26,560
This judge is going to go along
with them.

1271
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:27,560
They're not going.
To let you see it.

1272
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:29,960
So by the grace of God, this
judge, I don't know if he got

1273
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:32,000
sick, I don't know what happened
to him, but he wasn't there.

1274
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:37,520
This judge when we was in the
when I was in there, I told him,

1275
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:40,479
I said, you know, he, he said
I'm gonna let y'all, he said

1276
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:43,319
whatever videos y'all got, y'all
gonna let her see him.

1277
01:08:43,319 --> 01:08:45,319
And he wasn't playing.
He was like, and I don't want

1278
01:08:45,319 --> 01:08:46,920
you to be giving her no cropped
up stuff.

1279
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:50,680
I want you to mass play and let
it make sense.

1280
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:53,439
Like don't give her no block,
you know, crop stuff.

1281
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:55,840
And so I said, well, Sir, I just
want to say this while we're in

1282
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:58,680
front of everybody, while I'm in
front of the DA, while I'm in

1283
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:00,960
front of the detective, while
I'm in front of their attorney,

1284
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:03,880
while I'm in front of a judge.
I said, I want to be able to let

1285
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:08,000
you know what I've seen already.
So if they're not going to show

1286
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:11,560
me this video or they show me
something other than what I'm

1287
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:13,880
telling you, something is not
right.

1288
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:15,560
And they have and they have done
something to that.

1289
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:18,840
They've altered this evidence.
And so he let me tell him

1290
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:21,279
everything I told you.
He stood to his own record that

1291
01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:24,720
I said everything.
What I've seen, how I've seen it

1292
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:26,439
in a courtroom in front of a
judge.

1293
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:31,760
And so they had 4-5 days, seven
days to get it together.

1294
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:34,479
When I got out the courtroom,
they bum rushed me.

1295
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:35,960
Oh, Miss King, what day are you
available?

1296
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:38,319
We're ready to show you this.
We're gonna show you this and

1297
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:41,399
made some statement that you
didn't.

1298
01:09:41,399 --> 01:09:43,399
You've never seen this video.
I was like, I've already seen

1299
01:09:43,399 --> 01:09:44,720
the video.
No, you've never seen this

1300
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:46,200
video.
And I thought he was lying, but

1301
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:49,560
he was telling the truth that I
hadn't out of the one time he

1302
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:51,680
did.
He he, I really hadn't seen this

1303
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:52,920
video.
So when he brought me in the

1304
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:58,200
room to see that video, there's
a big old 80 inch TV, probably

1305
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:00,840
bigger than that in there and it
had these blocks going down the

1306
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:03,040
side.
As soon as I seen that, I knew

1307
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:06,520
that this was not gonna be mash
it, play it and let it run.

1308
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:09,840
So I'm breaking myself 'cause
I'm, I'm telling this detective,

1309
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:11,520
I said, where's that video you
showed me?

1310
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:15,280
He sitting with his hands
crossed, I mean hands buckled

1311
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:17,760
and with his hand down, head
down.

1312
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:20,640
And I said, lift your head up
and tell me where that video is.

1313
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:22,400
And he was like, what are you
talking about?

1314
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:25,160
So the video you showed me in
that room, I don't know what

1315
01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:29,600
you're talking about.
I said, oh, OK, all right.

1316
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:34,000
So then he says, well, I'm about
to show you what started all

1317
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:36,760
this, how this all started.
So that's when he showed me how

1318
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:39,760
the club scene was, how
everywhere everybody was, where

1319
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:41,320
the three of them were sitting
in the corner.

1320
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:44,840
My son was, you know, just
dancing in the floor and how the

1321
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:49,080
boy walked past my son and stood
and my son turned around and

1322
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:51,080
walked off, not knowing he was
standing there for him.

1323
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:54,080
He just walked off because the
boy, the other boy bumped him.

1324
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:57,400
So he walks off and then that's
how all that came into play.

1325
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:00,520
When they got him outside, they
jumped him and he walked away.

1326
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:03,680
He got the gun and he walked up
and then and Keon sat in that

1327
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:05,680
car running, waiting on him to
do it.

1328
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:08,120
As soon as he got in the car, he
pulled that car off.

1329
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:13,360
And so I braced myself and he
matched play.

1330
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:15,840
When he matched play, he showed
me all that.

1331
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:20,200
And then he said, now here's the
part where your son, we see the

1332
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:23,640
muzzle flash, but it didn't make
sense what he was saying because

1333
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:28,760
this was just like, if you have
you ever seen those AI videos

1334
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:32,120
and, and this is so crazy.
This is just how God works.

1335
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:34,960
Like right when they showed me
this video, I was trying to

1336
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:37,880
describe to my family the
movements of my son.

1337
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:39,760
That just wasn't a natural
movement.

1338
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:42,240
I couldn't describe it because I
had never seen it.

1339
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:44,840
And I didn't play video games
or, you know, those games where

1340
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:47,360
the football players can run and
they look real.

1341
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:49,840
I didn't, I didn't see that.
I didn't, I didn't know what

1342
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:52,960
that was.
And so when I've seen it, I'm

1343
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:55,000
trying to describe it to my
family, but it didn't make

1344
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:57,000
sense.
But two weeks after they showed

1345
01:11:57,000 --> 01:12:00,760
me this video, that's the first
time I've ever seen an AI video

1346
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:04,280
where they got the picture and
the person is they can make the

1347
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:06,200
person do the dance that that
dance.

1348
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:09,800
And so I was like, Oh my God,
this is how they did that, you

1349
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:13,160
know what I'm saying?
But he showed my son popping

1350
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:17,200
around like with his with one
arm extended and then this big

1351
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:19,000
old bang.
And if you ever, I don't know

1352
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:22,600
how old people are, but back
when Batman first came out, they

1353
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:25,560
used to be bang pow.
They used to be the zigzag big

1354
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:27,480
circle.
And then it has the bang or pow

1355
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:29,680
on the inside of it.
And that's what was hanging off

1356
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:31,280
this gun.
And it just looked like somebody

1357
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:34,960
sat a Big Bang off of it.
I'm like this don't matter.

1358
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:37,640
No way shape or form.
And you're not even in the same

1359
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:40,320
part of the damn parking lot
like where he killed my son at

1360
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:42,720
this time.
If you watch the video, you see

1361
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:44,600
me on the ground, you know
that's not the same place.

1362
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:46,520
And I so I didn't say that to
him.

1363
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:49,200
I'm just like I said you know
what whoever you paid to do

1364
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:50,640
this, y'all better get y'all
money back.

1365
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:52,960
I said cuz that is not my damn
son.

1366
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:54,800
And he's like Miss King it is
your son.

1367
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:57,600
I said it is not my son.
I said I don't know how you did

1368
01:12:57,600 --> 01:12:59,680
that.
I said, but it's really wet and

1369
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:01,480
weak as hell.
I said because you don't he

1370
01:13:01,480 --> 01:13:02,880
don't even have a natural
movement.

1371
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:06,000
You just see this arm appear.
You don't see him raise his arm,

1372
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:08,920
so you see them kind of jogging
next to each other.

1373
01:13:09,480 --> 01:13:13,120
They're jogging next to each
other and then the gun comes out

1374
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:17,480
and the BA, the pain comes out
and then the boy turns around

1375
01:13:17,480 --> 01:13:20,280
and shoots and then my son kind
of does this whirly world and

1376
01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:23,280
falling the ground fall on the
ground and then he runs past

1377
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:25,080
another car and shoots in the
air.

1378
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:29,080
And I was like, that don't even
make no damn sense like that.

1379
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:31,600
Don't I mean the whole scenario
just didn't even make sense.

1380
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:32,880
I think y'all couldn't do no
better than that.

1381
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:34,280
That's what I'm telling you
right now.

1382
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:35,440
You're going to jail all of
y'all.

1383
01:13:35,440 --> 01:13:38,560
I just started saying that I'm
saying all y'all going to jail,

1384
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:41,480
everyone of y'all say y'all
obstructing justice, altering

1385
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:44,280
evidence.
I said you just fucking it all

1386
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:45,720
up.
I said but y'all going to jail.

1387
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:50,080
So I said you know what, when I
sat down in your office picking

1388
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:53,120
up my son's property, I just now
realize why you're doing this.

1389
01:13:53,440 --> 01:13:55,640
When you walk into this Police
Department, it's a brand new

1390
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:57,560
Police Department.
They built it and slapped it

1391
01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:01,440
right inside of a a black
development and knocked down a

1392
01:14:01,440 --> 01:14:09,090
couple of houses to do it $11.5
million high tech up to

1393
01:14:22,799 --> 01:14:25,200
I said that when you walk up
there, there's a plaque that's

1394
01:14:25,359 --> 01:14:30,000
dedicated to this officer.
Hat.

1395
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:33,120
And his case and all this stuff.
And then when you walk to where

1396
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:39,520
they was taking us through that
room, you see a mural on the

1397
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:42,200
wall that has him and his wife
and his family and his life.

1398
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:45,640
And in the middle wall, it shows
the story of what happened.

1399
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:48,120
To him, and then over the.
The right side of the wall, it's

1400
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:50,880
his badge with a black, you
know, painted his numbers over.

1401
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:53,400
So I'm sitting in there and I'm
just like, why does this make

1402
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:56,720
even any sense to me?
One, because it was November

1403
01:14:56,720 --> 01:15:00,440
24th, 1981.
It was the exact same day my son

1404
01:15:00,440 --> 01:15:02,960
had died.
I don't know how they how this

1405
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:05,600
even is.
It's just outrageous that it's a

1406
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:07,480
coincidence or anything like
that.

1407
01:15:07,480 --> 01:15:13,400
But it was just crazy because I
said that was why my hair stood

1408
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:15,120
up.
That's that was just why when I

1409
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:16,520
seen it, I was just like, what
the hell?

1410
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:19,000
So it made me read it.
And when I started reading it, I

1411
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:21,680
noticed that it said something
about a man from Brevard, and I

1412
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:23,480
knew I was born in.
Brevard So I was like, what?

1413
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:26,480
What?
Is this and so I screenshoted it

1414
01:15:26,480 --> 01:15:28,440
and I called my mom and I was
like, mom, what is this?

1415
01:15:28,440 --> 01:15:30,440
And she was just like, you need
to call your daddy.

1416
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:32,760
So I called my dad and I was
like, what is this?

1417
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:35,560
And he was like that guy.
So I read it to him and he was

1418
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:36,840
pissed.
He was like, what the hell?

1419
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:38,280
He was like, that is not what
happened.

1420
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:40,840
Ya ya like what happened?
He was like, that's my brother.

1421
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:44,720
And I knew that I had an uncle
that died in in prison and that

1422
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:46,720
he was accused of murder.
But I don't know why I thought

1423
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:48,600
it was a woman.
I don't, but it wasn't.

1424
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:51,000
It was a cop.
And so, you know, when you're

1425
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:54,160
8-9, ten years old and you hear
that type of stuff, you hear

1426
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:56,120
bits and pieces.
So that's why I remembered it

1427
01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:58,720
the way that I did is because we
weren't allowed to be in the

1428
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:00,240
room when they was discussing
this stuff.

1429
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:02,920
But it was my daddy's brother
who was accused of killing this

1430
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:05,000
cop.
So I really feel like in my

1431
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:08,240
heart there's no other reason
that makes sense.

1432
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:10,840
One, y'all know that this is
premeditated.

1433
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:13,880
You watch it on camera and then
you didn't do any type of

1434
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:20,440
evidence to substantiate your
call of justifiable homicide.

1435
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:23,520
One, you didn't do any kind of
Ballistics testing on the gun

1436
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:25,440
that you claimed.
That was my son's.

1437
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:29,000
You didn't do any gunpowder
residue on him.

1438
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:30,720
His hand was laying out there on
the ground.

1439
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:32,640
His other hand was laying on his
chest.

1440
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:35,280
So you didn't cover his hands.
You didn't do any kind of

1441
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:36,320
ballistic test.
And you could.

1442
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:40,760
Hear the the chief medical
examiner saying no, nobody did

1443
01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:42,600
those tests.
Why you didn't do those tests?

1444
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:44,400
Because they would have came
back negative and then you would

1445
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:48,640
have been proven this was not
justifiable homicide and so.

1446
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:53,000
When I say all this to him, he.
Slams his hand down on the desk.

1447
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:55,840
He's like Miss King, you'll just
put any damn thing in a bag and

1448
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:58,440
shake it up and throw it out.
He was like, I hope you don't

1449
01:16:58,440 --> 01:16:59,880
believe the stuff that's coming
out your mouth.

1450
01:16:59,960 --> 01:17:02,000
I said I know exactly why you
did what you did.

1451
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:05,280
And I said, and that's exactly
why you're going to after y'all,

1452
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:07,480
this whole system, I said, y'all
had one.

1453
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:09,800
And I, that's what I said to
him.

1454
01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:13,360
I said, normally I'll just be so
glad to knock, lock, lock up a

1455
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:15,760
black person.
I said, you'd be so glad to do

1456
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:17,200
it.
This is a win for you.

1457
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:18,960
You didn't have to do no case,
nothing.

1458
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:20,800
You would just had charged them
all.

1459
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:23,200
And that would have been that.
I said, but you played with me

1460
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:26,520
and, and, and, and one time when
you could have got the end that

1461
01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:29,480
you wanted, you didn't.
And you try to do all this.

1462
01:17:29,480 --> 01:17:31,760
I said, you say you could have
saved all of y'all this.

1463
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:33,840
I said, but now I'm going to
make sure that everybody knows

1464
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:36,440
what y'all have done because
it's, it's just not right.

1465
01:17:36,480 --> 01:17:41,480
It just, it doesn't make sense.
The 911 call was 10 minutes

1466
01:17:41,480 --> 01:17:44,560
before my son was shot.
And this cop, the one that was

1467
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:47,800
in there cussing me out, sat
across the street literally in

1468
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:51,680
his cruiser because why?
This is a black club, this is a

1469
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:53,480
holiday.
We know they're going to get

1470
01:17:53,480 --> 01:17:54,920
down there, get drunk and act a
fool.

1471
01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:57,320
So we're going to sit close
enough to where we can get them,

1472
01:17:57,680 --> 01:17:59,720
you know what I mean?
But you don't even come across

1473
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:01,880
there when the 911 call say,
hey, they fighting in the

1474
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:03,800
parking lot.
If he would have drove that car

1475
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:06,760
through that parking lot, we
might not be sitting here, you

1476
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:08,760
know what I mean?
Because that would have stopped

1477
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:11,480
it right then and there.
When my son was coming out that

1478
01:18:11,480 --> 01:18:13,520
club, none of the bouncers
stopped it.

1479
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:16,280
Nobody tried to help him when he
was shot.

1480
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:19,120
The state trooper, the one that
was cussing me out inside the

1481
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:22,720
jail instead of him, it
ministers CPR to my son, which

1482
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:25,200
is what he should have rendered
all kind of help to him

1483
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:28,200
immediately when he seen him in
that condition and not just

1484
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:33,480
counted him dead, removed a gun
and secured a gun instead.

1485
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:36,200
Which, yeah, that might be a
part of what he had to do.

1486
01:18:36,440 --> 01:18:39,120
But why didn't y'all immediately
start administering some kind of

1487
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:41,240
help for my child?
So at least he could have died

1488
01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:45,240
in dignity off off on a
stretcher inside of the the van

1489
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:47,000
at the hospital two or three
days later.

1490
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:49,120
I don't know.
But I just know that that was

1491
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:52,680
not, that was not OK.
I know that my son could hear me

1492
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:55,640
screaming and being slammed on
the ground in the midst of all

1493
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:57,080
that.
I couldn't get to him.

1494
01:18:57,280 --> 01:19:00,320
He couldn't get to me.
You know, like the damage that

1495
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:02,880
they have done.
And I know that I'm able to talk

1496
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:05,960
about it, but I've done it.
I've said it so many times and

1497
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:08,160
so often and so many times in a
day.

1498
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:12,680
And so I'm just desensitized if
there's a way to be that.

1499
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:22,720
But to make any sense out of all
of this, it's just so unreal

1500
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:26,640
that I, I must have some kind of
mental state that I'm

1501
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:30,880
disassociating to just to try to
protect myself.

1502
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:33,680
Because if I really think about
this, I would literally go

1503
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:35,880
crazy.
Like I would literally go crazy.

1504
01:19:37,480 --> 01:19:41,200
But I also know that I'm having
a fight, you know, like I have

1505
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:43,240
to put this out there so people
can hear what happened.

1506
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:47,360
And I think that it's crazy that
I would have to have died too,

1507
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:50,800
that I have to be shot in the
face for somebody to hear this.

1508
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:54,840
And Patricia, thanks for
sharing.

1509
01:19:54,840 --> 01:20:00,560
And for for our last question,
is there anything you want to

1510
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:02,960
add or tell people before we
conclude the interview?

1511
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:10,200
I just feel like anytime that
anything like this happens,

1512
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:13,120
people really need to stand up
and stand together.

1513
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:17,520
These things keep happening
because people feel weak.

1514
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:20,120
They don't know how to apply
their strength and their

1515
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:26,280
pressure and they don't know how
to stand together when this type

1516
01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:29,200
of stuff happening happens, are
happening.

1517
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:31,480
It didn't happen.
I'm not the first person that

1518
01:20:31,480 --> 01:20:33,720
this happened to.
Clearly it just it's it's just

1519
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:36,720
the trend that cops get in these
positions and they feel like

1520
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:39,120
they are above the law and that,
you know, just because they're

1521
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:44,080
just judgmental and and biased
and ignorant that they feel like

1522
01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:51,560
just these unrighteous members
in this in this system.

1523
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:55,040
That is a group of people who've
seen off of other people's

1524
01:20:55,240 --> 01:21:00,080
mishap and poor, poor choices
and mistreat them further

1525
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:02,440
instead of getting them to help.
Is the public service is

1526
01:21:02,440 --> 01:21:06,320
supposed to be public service,
public health, not condemning

1527
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:08,200
and disrespectful and killing
people.

1528
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:10,840
Like, I just feel like people
really need to know.

1529
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:15,000
Like if you stand up for when
this happens and make the noise

1530
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:18,920
that's necessary, then it's not
going to stop it because people

1531
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:20,400
are still going to feel like
they can do it.

1532
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:22,800
But it's going to make people
really think twice because

1533
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:25,040
they're going to know you may
not be the one that's going to

1534
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:28,560
get away with it this time.
Thank you for tuning in to No

1535
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:31,560
Tears for Black Girls.
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1536
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:35,360
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1537
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:38,320
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1538
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:42,240
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01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:46,040
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1540
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:49,800
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1541
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1542
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:55,320
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