They Let Him Die — New Federal Lawsuit Names Arizona Governor in the Timothy Stone Case

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Before we begin, this episode
contains discussions of child

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abduction, wrongful death, and
ongoing harm to missing

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children.
Listener discretion is advised.

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On December 1st, 2025, I brought
you the story of a Black father

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named Timothy Paul Stone.
For two hours and 24 minutes, we

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walked through the last 54 days
of his life. 54 days of waking

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up every morning wondering if
his three boys were still alive.

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54 days of calling police,
judges and government officials.

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54 days of begging.
A system that says it protects

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children to actually protect
his.

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When that episode ended, his
sons Winston, Timothy Junior and

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little Marcel had been missing
for 692 days.

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Tonight, they are still missing.
But in the days after that

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episode dropped, something
shifted.

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A new document landed in a
federal courthouse in Phoenix,

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30 plus pages that don't read
like a dry filing, but like an

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indictment of an entire state.
And our producer, Jon Reedberg,

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picked up the phone earlier this
week.

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John called Reverend John W
Stone, Timothy's father.

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When Rev Stone answered, he was
in his car heading to a Staples

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in Phoenix to print out that
document, an amended civil

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complaint filed December 8th,
2025 in the United States

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District Court for the District
of Arizona.

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He tells John it's 35 pages
long, that he wrote it himself,

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that he's been studying law for
40 years, that this complaint

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is, in his words, first rate.
And then before he talks about

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law, he talks about love.
He tells John that he and

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Timothy were soul mates.
Not in the romantic way.

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We usually use that word in the
way a parent sometimes locks in

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with one child.
The one who calls you first with

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good news and bad news, the one
who laughs at the same corny

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jokes, the one who shares your
brain.

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Sometimes you have a lot of
stuff in common with a

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particular child, he says.
That doesn't mean you love your

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other children less.
It just means you hit it off

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with one of them because you're
compatible in a lot of areas.

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That was the story with Timothy.
He talks about how Timothy

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became one of the first black
men to serve as a sales engineer

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at Cox Communications, leading a
team.

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How he balanced that work with a
body that had been managing type

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1 diabetes since he was two
years old.

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How he did all of that while
raising three boys, two of them

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on the autism spectrum.
He tells John that Timothy was

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born on February 28th, 1990.
That he died three days after

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his 34th birthday in a leap
year.

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I've been preaching for 40
years, he says.

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I've done funerals.
I've been at hospital beds.

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I thought I had seen and felt
everything, but when I was told

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he had been deceased, it
literally took my breath away.

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I fell out.
He pauses, and you can almost

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feel the weight of those words
pressing against the inside of

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the car windshield as he drives.
When the kids were abducted, he

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says, he and I worked day and
night together for him to, 54

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days after they were taken,
suddenly die.

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It just crashed my world.
I really didn't want to be here

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anymore.
He is 69.

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His wife, Reverend Shirley
Stone, is 75.

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This is something we will take
with us to the grave.

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He says.
We think about it every day.

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You don't see the world the same
anymore.

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If you're new to this story,
here is what happened.

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January 9th, 2024, El Mirage,
AZ.

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In the early hours of that
morning, Timothy is rushed to

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the ICU at Boswell Hospital in a
diabetic emergency.

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His insulin has been tampered
with or hidden.

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His blood sugar is in the 8
hundreds.

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He survives.
He is discharged.

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That afternoon.
He gets a ride home from his

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father.
When he walks into his

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apartment, his three boys are
gone. 12 year old Winston, 10

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year old Timothy Paul Stone
Junior, three-year old Marcel

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the live in babysitter.
A woman named Brittany Houston

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has taken them without
permission, without notice.

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She has already loaded them into
Timothy's own car and driven

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them across town.
She does not take them to a

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relative with joint custody.
She delivers them to their

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mother, Saraya Laurent Mccree,
Timothy's estranged wife, at a

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Cube Smart storage facility in
Mesa.

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This is not a misunderstanding.
Months earlier, Timothy had

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secured valid Protection Orders
from a judge listing himself and

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the boys as plaintiffs and
Saraya and her sister Eris

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Dupree as defendants.
The court found there was a

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credible risk of kidnapping and
abuse.

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Saraya had abandoned the boys
for 10 months, No visits, no

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calls, no support.
She was ordered to stay away

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from them.
Timothy comes home from the

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hospital, finds the apartment
empty and does what you are

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supposed to do when you have the
law on your side.

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He calls 911.
El Mirage Police Sergeant

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Matthew Jacobs responds.
Timothy shows him the Protection

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Orders, the file numbers, the
dates, the judge's signature.

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He makes it clear Brittany had
no permission to give the

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children to anyone, especially
Saraya or Harris.

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Jacobs acknowledges the orders,
acknowledges that Saraya is

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under court order to stay away,
then leaves the children where

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they are.
Over the next 54 days, Timothy

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does everything a person is told
to do to get help.

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He calls El Mirage police over
and over.

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He calls Mesa police because
that's where the storage

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facility is.
He calls Child Protective

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Services with his father.
He drafts a certified criminal

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complaint, notarized and sent to
Arizona Governor Katie Hobbs and

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Attorney General Kristen Mays.
He emails El Mirage Police Chief

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Paul Marzaca.
He writes to El Mirage Mayor

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Alexis Hermosillo.
On January 29th, the governor's

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office replies and promises to
review their complaint.

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That same day, Chief Marzoka
emails back saying I have my

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investigations Bureau looking
into this matter and then hours

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later tells Timothy he will not
be rescuing the children or

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arresting the kidnappers.
He claims Timothy was

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incapacitated when they were
taken.

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As if that excuses everything.
Timothy and his father lay out

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the law.
They quote kidnapping statutes,

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child abuse statutes.
They warn police that refusing

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to arrest the kidnappers and
blocking the boys rescue could

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make the city an accomplice.
No one comes.

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On February 1st, under
unbearable stress, Timothy calls

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Saraya.
He threatens her if she doesn't

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return the children.
She calls 911.

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Mesa Police officer Damien Ryden
responds to Cube Smart, calls

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Timothy, and, according to the
lawsuit, threatens him with

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physical harm if he tries to get
his own children back.

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Shortly afterward, an El Mirage
officer calls Timothy with the

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same threat.
On February 21st, a process

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server finally manages to get
inside the locked Cube Smart

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facility and physically hands
Syria the protection order she

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had been dodging in Nevada.
She reads it.

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She ignores it.
She keeps the children.

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On February 29th, Timothy and
his father file an emergency

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motion with Judge Michael
Parascondola, the same judge who

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had issued the Protection Orders
the year before.

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They beg him to order the
children rescued.

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He sets a hearing for March 4th.
Timothy believes, truly

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believes, that if he can just
survive until that hearing,

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someone will finally have to
act.

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On March 2nd, 2 days before that
hearing, El Mirage police call

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his parents.
Officers have gone to his

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apartment and found him on the
floor.

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He is dead.
On paper.

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The death certificate calls it
natural causes to Reverend

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Stone.
There is nothing natural about

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it.
In the call with John, he tells

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our producer.
My take on it is they didn't let

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him die, they actually killed
him.

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He describes how, according to
Timothy's roommate, the same

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three officers they've been
trying to sue over the

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kidnapping went into Timothy's
room, closed the door, locked

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the roommate out and emerged 5
minutes later to pronounce him

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dead.
We don't know exactly how it

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came down, he says, but we know
this because they allowed the

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kidnapping to go on.
The officials ended up

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torturously murdering Tim.
According to John and Shirley's

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amended federal complaint, after
Timothy died, his body was

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signed over to a so-called
Research for Life program and

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then cremated.
The Stones say they were never

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asked for their consent, never
given a chance to view their

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son's body before the cremation,
and that in the end, all they

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received was a small cardboard
box of ashes they had to fight

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for.
Up to this point, you've mostly

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heard from Timothy's parents
what they were told, what they

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saw, what they allege in this
federal complaint.

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Saraya Mccree, the boy's mother,
hasn't sat down for any

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interview about Timothy's death
or about these lawsuits.

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She hasn't answered questions
from reporters, but she has

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spoken in the comments section
on Facebook under Timothy's

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GoFundMe post under her own
name.

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Saraya writes, quote, complete
lies.

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His body has been donated to
research for life and the

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cremation is free.
I have all the proof and

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paperwork and quote.
In another comment on that same

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thread she says quote all this
for money.

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Y'all can't even mourn his
death.

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So sad and quote and replying
directly to another user.

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She writes quote he knew where
the kids were.

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I'm their mother lol so I know
the real situation.

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End Quote.
Those are Surreya's words on a

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public GoFundMe post about
Timothy's death.

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The stones tell a very different
story.

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They say they have never been
shown any of this supposed proof

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and paperwork about body
donation.

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In their amended federal
complaint, they allege that

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Timothy did not consent to
donation, that his body was

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cremated against the family's
wishes, and that when they tried

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to claim his remains, they were
blocked by the Funeral Home and

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by law enforcement.
And when it comes to the boys,

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they say no one from the police,
the Funeral Home or from Saraya

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ever called to say, here is
where your grandsons are, Here

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is who has them.
Even though by her own comment,

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Surya is saying she knew exactly
where the kids were because,

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quote, I'm their mother.
Set against Surya Mccree's

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Facebook comments, this is how
Timothy's father understands

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what happened to his son.
Those are Reverend Stone's words

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about his boy's death.
That is the truth He is asking a

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court to recognize.
The amended complaint he was

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printing at Staples that morning
takes that grief and turns it

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into legal language.
It names in black ink.

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Arizona Governor Kathleen Marie
Hobbs sued in her official and

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individual capacity, a former
social worker and state

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legislator who ran publicly on
her record of protecting women

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and children.
Arizona Attorney General Kristen

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Mays sued in her official and
individual capacity, the state's

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top law enforcement officer, A
former regulator and journalist

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now branding herself as a
defender of consumers and

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democracy.
El Mirage Mayor Alexis

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Hermosillo, El Mirage Police
Chief Paul Marzocca Sergeant

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Matthew Jacobs of El Mirage
Police, Mesa Police Officer

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Damien K Ryden, El Mirage
Municipal Court Judge Michael

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Parascandola, Maricopa County
Superior Court Judges Melissa

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Zabor, Jennifer Ryan Touhill and
Michael Herod.

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CubeSmart, the storage company
whose Mesa facility became, in

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effect, a holding Center for
kidnapped children.

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MetLife, the insurance giant
that, after months of

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documentation, refused to
disqualify Soraya as the

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beneficiary of Timothy's life
insurance, even as it sat on

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proof of abandonment threats and
recorded admissions.

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And the three women who
according to the complaint,

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started it all, Soraya Laurent
Mccree, the estranged wife,

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Heiress Dupree, her sister, and
Brittany Houston, the non

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relative babysitter who out on
bond for crimes against her own

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children, used Timothy's medical
crisis to clear him out of the

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apartment, then took his boys
and delivered them into danger.

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The complaint alleges a
coordinated scheme that these

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individuals, from babysitter to
governor, entered into an

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agreement by what they did and
by what they refused to do that

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resulted in the ongoing
kidnapping of three children and

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the torturous death of their
father.

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Those are allegations in a civil
lawsuit, not findings in a

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criminal trial.
Every person named in that

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complaint is entitled to defend
themselves, to deny wrongdoing

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and to be presumed innocent of
any crime unless and until a

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Criminal Court says otherwise.
But if you read what Reverend

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Stone has filed, what you cannot
call this is a custody dispute

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that got out of hand.
At one point in that car ride,

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as he talks to John, you can
hear him shift from grieving

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father to the man who has been
reading statutes for 40 years.

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He asks John, you know how
felony murder works, right?

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He gives him an example.
Let's say you have a Bar and

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Grill.
He says 3 or 4 guys come in with

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guns and stick you up.
During that time, one of your

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customers has a heart attack or
trips over a can and dies.

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The people robbing you get
felony murder charges.

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They don't have a separate trial
on felony murder.

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They get it automatically
because of the underlying crime.

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But once they leave, he says, if
nobody dies, once they leave,

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the Commission of the crime is
complete.

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There's no more Commission of
the crime.

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Then he turns to kidnapping.
Kidnapping is one of the only

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crimes.
He says that when you kidnap

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someone, if somebody dies during
that kidnapping, the entire time

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counts.
If you kidnap that person and

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you keep them for three months,
every single day you keep them

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is a new charge.
The Commission of the crime is

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ongoing.
It doesn't stop until you

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release the victim and then he
applies it to his son.

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In this particular situation, he
tells John the way it works is

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when they kidnap the kids and
Timothy died trying to rescue

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them, they all face felony
murder.

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When we talk about felony murder
here, we're not talking about a

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feeling.
We're talking about a rule in

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criminal law.
In many states, including

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Arizona, if someone dies while
you are committing certain

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serious felonies, everyone
committing that felony can be

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held responsible for murder,
even if no one meant to kill,

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and even if the death looks
natural on paper.

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Robbery, burglary, rape, and in
Arizona, kidnapping.

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Arizona's law also treats
kidnapping as a continuing

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crime.
The felony doesn't end until the

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victim is safely released.
So if a death happens while that

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kidnapping is still in motion,
the clock hasn't stopped.

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In Reverend Stone's mind,
Timothy's heart didn't just give

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out, it failed under the weight
of an ongoing felony that never

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should have been allowed to
happen.

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In his words, this case is not
about officials letting Timothy

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die, it's about them killing him
by keeping the kidnapping going,

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he tells John.
You have the opportunity to be

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the first media person to post
the fact that for the first time

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in the history of the United
States, a sitting governor and a

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sitting attorney general are
facing felony murder level

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charges.
And it's not hypothetical.

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This is as per the law.
Legally today, what exists is a

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civil wrongful death and civil
rights lawsuit, not a criminal

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indictment.
No prosecutor has yet walked

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into a courtroom and read out
state of Arizona versus Governor

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Hobbs on a felony murder count.
What he's saying is this, if

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ordinary people can be charged
with felony murder when someone

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dies during a corner store
robbery, then the facts he has

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alleged an ongoing kidnapping.
A man who dies under that stress

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and officials who in his view,
kept that kidnapping alive

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should expose the people at the
top to the same rule they've

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used on everyone else.
And if any prosecutor ever had

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the courage to file those
charges against a sitting

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governor and attorney general,
it would be something this

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country has never seen before.
When our producer asks him

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whether this was simply a case
of officials letting Timothy

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die, Reverend Stone cuts that
phrase off.

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My take on it, he says, is they
didn't let him die.

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They actually killed him.
He talks about officers who, in

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his words, refused to go get the
kids, obstructed justice on so

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many occasions and then showed
up at Timothy's apartment the

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night he died.
To me he says this isn't

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neglect.
They kidnapped the kids and

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caused purposely, intentionally,
his torturous death.

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That is how he sees it.
That is what he is asking a

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federal judge and one day a jury
to see.

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But in all of this, in law and
procedure and unprecedented

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allegations, there are three
boys.

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I want you to picture them not
as names in a caption, but as

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people. 13 year old Winston, the
oldest, the one who sits up a

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little too straight when adults
are talking, trying to be a man

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before he's finished being a
boy.

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I imagine him on a hard bench
outside a courtroom, swinging

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his feet in the space between
floor and seat, listening to

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raised voices behind a closed
door, wondering if this time

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someone will actually fix it. 11
year old Timothy Junior,

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autistic, sensitive to sudden
noise, to changes in routine.

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I see him lining up toy cars in
perfect rows along the edge of a

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coffee table while his dad
measures out insulin at the

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kitchen counter.
The soft click of the pen and

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the rhythm of tiny wheels
tapping, wood beating in time. 4

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year old Marcel, still baby soft
in the cheeks, falling asleep on

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Timothy's chest during cartoons,
one small hand hooked in the

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collar of his work shirt as if
gripping tight enough means

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Daddy can never leave.
Those are the boys who were

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turned into leverage in a legal
chess game.

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Those are the boys this lawsuit
is really about.

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We know from the complaint and
from Reverend Stone's calls that

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for a time they were being held
at a Cube Smart storage facility

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in Mesa where Saraya was
employed.

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We know that when process
servers and police knocked on

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her door in Las Vegas, she
refused to open it, dodging

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service until they could no
longer find her.

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We know that when she was
finally served at Cube Smart on

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February 21st, she read the
order and kept the children

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anyway.
We know that on April 10th,

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2024, Reverend Stone received 2
phone calls from Aris Dupree and

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one from Saraya in one
voicemail.

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Aris says she was present when
she and Saraya told Brittany to

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kidnap the kids and bring them
to Nevada.

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She says Timothy deserved his
torturous death and that she is

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happy he is dead.
In another voicemail, Surya says

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she knew that the decedent was
going to die.

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Those recordings now sit in an
evidence file.

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No one has been arrested on
those admissions.

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We know that MetLife spent
months corresponding with

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Reverend Stone asking him to
send every document he had.

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Protection Orders, police
reports, certified complaints,

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Facebook posts where Surya
admits she was kept from the

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children for 10 months, the
exact span of time she was under

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a protection order.
MetLife encouraged him to keep

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sending evidence, told him they
would hold the death benefits in

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a liability account while they
reviewed.

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On September 11th, 2024, MetLife
sent him a letter.

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It said that because the El
Mirage police report did not

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list the allegations he had
raised, they would not be

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disqualifying Soraya as the
beneficiary.

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The same Police Department that
refused to rescue the children

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wrote the report MetLife decided
to trust.

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We know that after all of this,
three Maricopa County Judges

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Zabor, Ryan, Tuhill and Herod
held a private meeting where

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they decided how to handle the
emergency motions Reverend Stone

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had filed in his first wrongful
death case.

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We know that on September 12th,
2024, Judge Zabor, who wasn't

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even assigned to the case, held
what the complaint calls an

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illegal negotiation with the
kidnappers, spoke to Saraya on

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the phone and, in Reverend
Stone's words, encouraged her to

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keep herself and the children
concealed in Nevada.

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We know she then, according to
the complaint, tried to charge

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the Stones more than $300 in
fees just to be allowed to see

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the children.
We know that after that hearing,

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the first wrongful death case
fell apart.

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Reverend Stone withdrew it only
to refile in federal court.

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And we know that as of the
filing of this amended complaint

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in December 2025, the children
remain kidnapped and endangered.

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Those are the words on the page
somewhere right now.

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There are three black boys who
have been gone from their

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grandparents for nearly two
years, two of them on the autism

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spectrum, all three of them
growing up in an alternate

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reality.
Maybe they've been told their

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father didn't want them.
Maybe they've been told he chose

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another family.
Maybe they know only that

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something broke, that the air
around the adults hummed with

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fear, and then their world
shrank to a new set of walls and

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new rules that never made sense.
Maybe they're sitting in a Las

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Vegas apartment, curtains
permanently drawn.

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Maybe they're in a small town in
another state, enrolled under

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new names, told not to talk
about before.

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Maybe they are not in school at
all, kept off the grid so no one

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can notice three boys who don't
fit.

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They do not know that their
names are in a federal

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complaint.
They do not know that their

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names sit on a website that has
been quietly accusing Arizona's

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leadership of felony murder
level conduct for more than a

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year.
They do not know that a 69 year

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old pastor and a 75 year old
grandmother are spending their

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last years in front of computer
screens instead of in rocking

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chairs, drafting motions instead
of knitting because they refuse

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to let their grandchildren
vanish.

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When John asks Reverend Stone
what he wants people listening

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to do, he doesn't talk about
money.

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He doesn't talk about politics.
First thing he says is you don't

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let this die.
You keep saying their names.

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You keep this on the front page.
Then he gets specific.

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If you live in Nevada,
especially in Las Vegas, he says

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pay attention.
You see three boys who look like

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mine around 1311 and four with a
woman who seems nervous, who

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doesn't let them talk.
You see kids who say they used

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to live in Arizona or who flinch
when someone mentions the

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police.
Don't just brush that off.

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If you have any information
about the whereabouts of Winston

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Stone, Timothy Paul Stone Junior
or Marcel Orion Stone, you can

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contact the FBI.
The number for tips is

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800-225-5324.
Again, 800-225-5324.

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You can also contact the
National Center for Missing and

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Exploited Children at
800-843-5678.

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That's 800-843-5678.
If you work in a school, a

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clinic, or a social service
agency and you think you've seen

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these children, you do not have
to be certain to make a report.

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You can give what you know and
let investigators do their job.

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If you work inside one of the
institutions named in this

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complaint, the governor's
office, the Attorney General's

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office, El Mirage police, Mesa
police, MetLife Cube, smart, and

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you know something that has not
yet come out, you have a choice.

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You can keep your head down and
hope this never touches your

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desk.
Or you can decide that three

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boys and the truth about what
was done to their father matter

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more than your comfort.
The amended complaint in Stone

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versus Mccree is a public
record.

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We've put a copy of it, along
with key documents in this case,

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on our website.
You can find it at No Tears for

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blackgirls.com.
Click on the Resources tab and

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look for Timothy Stone updates.
You will see Reverend John and

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Reverend Shirley Stone's
signatures at the bottom.

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No law firm letterhead, no
partner names.

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Just two elderly parents
representing themselves, asking

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a federal court to say that what
happened to their family was not

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just sad, it was unlawful.
A black father loved his sons

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enough to burn himself out
fighting for them.

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Two black grandparents love
their grandsons enough to spend

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their last years fighting a
government that, in their view,

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chose convenience over children.
And now you know their names.

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Winston, Timothy.
Junior Marcel Timothy's story is

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not over.
His children's story is not

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over.
And as long as this microphone

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is in front of me, this story
will not be silenced.

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Stay loved, stay blessed, stay
safe.

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I'm Samantha Paul.
This is no tears for black

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girls.